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#49979 - Sat Jan 29 2005 07:56 AM Re: Pump and Pump Globe question?
Lastgas15 Offline
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Registered: Mon Mar 04 2002
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First, there was no shortage of glass in WW2. Remember that oil was packaged in glass jars instead of cans during the war. That argument won't hold up.

Second, yes, there were black outs during the war. The use of a light globe like the one pictured would give off considerably MORE light than a gasoline advertising globe. The black out argument won't hold up.

Third, I've seen hundreds (maybe thousands) of pictures of old stations. I've never seen a light globe on a pump in an old station photo. This appears to be an artist's rendering, not a photo. I still haven't seen any proof that light globes were used on pumps.

Like Don, I'm very curious why a pump would be shown in a standards book from an oil company.
Does anyone have any solid proof of light globes on pumps at old stations?
Or an explanation based on fact of why that image appeared in that book?
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#49980 - Sat Jan 29 2005 08:25 AM Re: Pump and Pump Globe question?
Dick Bennett Offline
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Bob,
What was the last year RICHFIELD used globes on the west coast ?
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#49981 - Sat Jan 29 2005 08:50 AM Re: Pump and Pump Globe question?
r49th Offline
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Registered: Thu Dec 18 2003
Loc: clio, michigan usa
I agree with Lastgas. If this is an artist's illustration, then it can't be taken as accurate. Even photographs are [were] touched up to improve the advertisements.

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#49982 - Sat Jan 29 2005 08:59 AM Re: Pump and Pump Globe question?
Lastgas15 Offline
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Loc: illinois
Dick,
The globe book says the last style of Richfield globe was used from 1946-1960.
I've heard that they stopped issuing globes not long after the war (late 40's-early 50's), but existing globes weren't removed from pumps until much later. That's what I've heard. I'll look at what few Richfield pictures I have access to and see if I can date any later than that.
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#49983 - Sat Jan 29 2005 09:23 AM Re: Pump and Pump Globe question?
Dwaine Buck Offline
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Registered: Tue Jun 01 2004
Loc: Big Valley, CA
The dates you mentioned Bob was for the East coast division, once the A-38 came into play most pumps were not even wired for globes. and the white bathroom globe you see on Jacks visiable it was not wired but had a top for a globe. a lot of farm pumps were not wired. but they still had an opening for a globe. I have a few cast iron half balls that were screwed in the place of a globe body. It all depended on the location of were the pump was going if it had wiring for a globe. as far as Richfield Globes that ugly bird from the East side never made it to the west. only 15". no 13 1/2.

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#49984 - Sat Jan 29 2005 09:59 AM Re: Pump and Pump Globe question?
Lastgas15 Offline
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Loc: illinois
No Dwaine, East coast Richfield used globes well into the 1960's. 1964 to be exact. That's when they were rebranded Sinclair.
Lots of pumps were wired for globes after the A38. Many companies used globes until 1970! Don't you think those globes were lit up?
The eastern Richfield with the "ugly" bird used both 15" and 13 1/2" globes. The west coast Richfield used only 15" globes.

It should be noted that both east and west Richfield used the SAME globes prior to the time the company was reorganized in '33. They continued to use common globes until the late 30's when the eastern company switched to the art deco eagle and the western company switched to the "bullseye" globe that didn't have an eagle.

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#49985 - Sat Jan 29 2005 11:35 AM Re: Pump and Pump Globe question?
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bob great post an 100% accurate, cheese bbc member
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#49986 - Sat Jan 29 2005 01:26 PM Re: Pump and Pump Globe question?
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Here's a photo of a Globe that Kmann sent me for posting. He is wondering if this might have been an original pump globe?




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#49987 - Sat Jan 29 2005 02:39 PM Re: Pump and Pump Globe question?
Lastgas15 Offline
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Registered: Mon Mar 04 2002
Loc: illinois
Sorry Kmann, not a pump globe. I see stuff like that on ebay all the time. Gas pump globes advertise gasoline.

I asked Scott Benjamin what he thought about the picture in the Richfield book. Here's what he said:
"I've never seen this either. I think it was just a prop as these were not used on any gas pumps."

I'm inclined to agree. I'm thinking its up to someone to prove they used light globes like that on pumps. That image makes me curious,but doesn't prove anything as far as I'm concerned.

[This message has been edited by Lastgas15 (edited 01-29-2005).]
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#49988 - Sat Jan 29 2005 02:52 PM Re: Pump and Pump Globe question?
the poor mans museum Offline
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Registered: Mon Oct 25 2004
Loc: Santa Ynez, CA, USA
Well, just to add some more fuel to the fire, here's the only other illustration in the book that shows globes being used on pumps. There are probably fifteen illustrations of various station configurations showing the proper application of the brand colors.



Does anyone have a picture of the Richfield "Bullseye" globe? Is that what this picture is illustrating?
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#49989 - Sat Jan 29 2005 03:22 PM Re: Pump and Pump Globe question?
Lastgas15 Offline
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Registered: Mon Mar 04 2002
Loc: illinois
Here ya go Curt.



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#49990 - Sat Jan 29 2005 03:28 PM Re: Pump and Pump Globe question?
Lastgas15 Offline
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Registered: Mon Mar 04 2002
Loc: illinois
Here's the "ugly" eagle Dwaine was talking about.
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#49991 - Sat Jan 29 2005 04:05 PM Re: Pump and Pump Globe question?
the poor mans museum Offline
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Registered: Mon Oct 25 2004
Loc: Santa Ynez, CA, USA
Thanks Bob, looks like the bullseye is what they are showing in that illustration.

Does anyone do a repop of the bullseye?

What's the ballpark price of an original?

I'm doing a Bennett 646 up in Richfield right now and I'd like it to be as close to oringinal as possible.

BTW, I have to agree about the "ugly eagle". I saw one on a pump and I thought it was some mis-guided repop until I learned about the East coast version. (My apologies to those of you that like and collect it.)

Here's what I don't want my restoration to look like. Waste of a good pump in my opinion.

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#49992 - Sat Jan 29 2005 04:31 PM Re: Pump and Pump Globe question?
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
VERY FEW farmers ever bought a NEW pump, most FARM pumps were used sevicestation pumps provided by the distributor they were buying gasoline from. Commerical & farm pumps that were bought new, were of the clockface style or no-computing total sale $$, but MOST were wired for lights & GLOBES.

I have had several 50's-60's pumps that were wired for GLOBES [under the plate where a globe ring would mount].

IF it was not a special order, the pump company's didn't know where the pump would be used ie: station, commerical or farm/private.

WHY would pump companys use a CAST IRON cap and a globe ring on a pump IF there was no electricty in the top of pump ??



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#49993 - Sat Jan 29 2005 05:21 PM Re: Pump and Pump Globe question?
Lastgas15 Offline
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Registered: Mon Mar 04 2002
Loc: illinois
Curt,
I haven't seen a bullseye sell for a couple years but I'd guess one with no condition problems would bring around $2250.

I don't know if that globe has been re-popped. Pogogas would probably make some if there was enough demand. I can't see it though....THAT globe is ugly to me!
I like the art deco eagle though, but what do I know? Some of the boys say my globes are ugly.

Dick,
What you said makes alot of sense. I got a email from someone in the oil business today that said the same thing.
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