Primarily Petroliana Shop Talk Forums Shop Talk Petroliana Forums General Petroliana Discussion E-Bay Auctions Ending Early, Signs.

I just wanted to vent on this. I know it has been mentioned before. An E-Bayer just listed 4, 6 foot signs on e-bay. They had been refurbished on 1 side and I was interested in bidding on 2 of them. They weren't on the listing for 48 hours and now all 4 are no longer available. WOW, imagine that! I am really sick and tired of the good stuff never lasting till the end of the auction before someone calls the seller and cuts a deal. I don't play that way, can't E-bay do something to stop this? Whew, I feel better.
Ed Steagall.

Well this can be a double edged sword because on one hand if it stays the course the price might be so high that you don't want it. The other side of the scenario is that you can maybe deal direct with the seller and get what you want for a price that is fair for both.

I have purchased several pumps that if I didn't go that path then I would have lost out to someone that did. In that respect it is still a fair playing field. IMO.

I agree. If you don't contact the person, someone else will. There was a Tokheim clock face on eBay and it didn't make it until the end. I hope someone got a good deal. It reminds me of Des Moines last year, if you pass on it the first time, don't expect it to be there the next time you walk by.

Ed, I have always figured that until I actually owned an item... Then I don't have a say, in how the actual Owner conducts his business...

If I want an item, I contact the Seller and make an offer... Sometimes, the Owner will accept my offer... Sometimes, they turn down my offer, immediately... And other times, they politely say that the auction will go to completion...

When the auction has gone to completion, sometimes (too often) I lose... Other times, I get the item for less (sometimes a lot less) than my initial offer..

Maybe, I am in the minority with my belief that I should not/do not have a say in how others sell THEIR OWN ITEMS?...

But I can honestly say, that I don't like the idea that someone else can either determine or try to determine how I sell my items!

No what really ***** me off regardless of the sale mechanism is when someone confirms to a seller that the deal is done and then changes their mind when a better offer comes in shortly after.

Good points. If you list an item, I feel you are entering into a deal with E-bay to have the item available for sale within the auction exclusively for the time period stated. OR: then list it with a Buy-it-Now or Best Offer Price. THEN, I feel you could sell it early. These signs did not have either. They hadn't even met reserve.
Ed.

ED,
You are 100% correct !! something to be said for ethics and honesty in todays world !! I made this same exact point before and got blasted as a "cry baby" but I don't care, It's BS and I call BS when I see it !

Use the "contact the seller" button. It works wonders. Now days you don't wait. You always have to stay one button in front on the next guy. Blame Obama and smart phones!

Believe me, you are not alone and I do believe the majority agrees with you.

ETHICS of ebay & ebay sellers?
WE can only Dream.

Rick, Pete and Ed... How can anyone determine what is "honest and ethical", for other individuals????

None of us have lived each others lives. None of us have the same life experiences. As such, all any of us can do is determine what is "honest and ethical"; for our Selves....

None of us have the knowledge, power or experiences to determine how others should think and/or act.... Those traits are individual to each Person...

Personally, I contact Sellers on items I want... To me that is honest and ethical....

If it isn't to you, then don't do it. Seems simple enough to me...

I have no idea "if a majority" agrees with me or not... And as Rhett Butler put it so eloquently; "Frankly My Dear, I don't give a damn"!

I will do as my conscience dictates. No more, No less....

And at the end of the day, that is all that matters!

I'm with you guys on this one.

Call it a conscience or whatever you like. But, we instinctively know what is right and wrong. When we get a gut feeling telling us we are doing something wrong or we question ourselves. Then chances are we are not operating at our best.

Just because others are doing it...isn't a reason for me to do it. Dropping to someone else's level is not the answer for me. I've never been a follower.

Look at it this way:
If you feel the seller is unethical, would you have wanted to do business with them?

Because being Honest and having Integrity is right and true for all men under God ! period !, there is no "my perception of honesty and ethics for myself" based on my life's circumstances, that's just a joke ! Ethics, Honesty, Truth are carved in stone (LITERALLY) and cannot be twisted or bent to fit your personal wants, needs or desires. Some have it and get it...others obviously do not.

i know this is a complex topic, but after thinking on it awhile, i really cant fault a seller for making a deal outside of ebay. lets face it, as many times as we see this complaint, we see an equal number of after the sale chargebacks thru paypal by dishonest buyers.most of the time, the seller loses the item & the funds. ebay sets the rules to the buyers advantage, which probably means no money out of ebay's coffer. if a buyer makes a deal outside the loop, they have a little control over the deal where with ebay, its the luck of the draw. when ebay levels the playing field & rules with honesty & integrity as the middleman, then i'll reconsider my position on the topic...

Hi Everyone: I love these "philosophical discussions." LOL. I agree with Dave that most people know the difference between right and wrong... some people just don't care. Bob: I respectfully disagree with you that I think people can make a determination of right and wrong about people and situations. Now you and I have disagreed on some issues but think you are a stand up guy.

I, too, have contacted Sellers on eBay and have made offers. So I am not a hypocrite here...But, I believe that ebay set up the Buy It Now and Make An Offer to help deal with those issues. The intent of the auction format is to run for X number of days. By ending it early the seller is not honoring the intent of the system and is denying eBay its rightful fees. Now some may not care but that's part of the dilemma. One of the issues with ethics is people have will rationalize what they do and feel good about it. And it is easy to rationalize.

Before working in Human Resources for my company I was a trainer. I taught a variety of classes from supervisory skills to policies, etc. One of the courses I taught was Ethics. I don't say I am an expert, but well versed. LOL

I would start the class by asking how many people thought they needed to be there. No one would raise their hand. Then I ask, "How many of you feel you are honest and ethical?" Everyone would raise their hand. Then I would tell them that if they can pass the next test they wold be excused. I say, "Think of your grandma or a favorite aunt that maybe spoiled you a little when you were young. Made your favorite cookies, etc. Got that person in your mind? OK...how many of you would outright lie to that person." No one raised their hand.

Then I start. "You come home from work and it has been a lousy week. Work has been a mess, you got a speeding ticket and its cold, rainy and miserable. As you come up on the porch you see a package left by UPS. You pick it up and recognize the return address of your sweet, dear old grandma. You go inside and anxiously open the package and hope it is a box of her delicious chocolate chip cookies....

When you open it up, it is a handmade sweater that your dear old grandma knitted with her two arthritic hands that the note inside said took her four months to make, but you are worth it. And you know grandma is on a tight budget and spent what little money she has to make you a sweater. Now this sweater is also so ugly that the dog wouldn't even lie on it...and to top it off, it fits you perfectly. Just as you are 'admiring' the sweater the phone rings and it is grandma and she says, 'Hi honey, how do you like the sweater.' So, the question is, do you lie to grandma or tell her the truth?"

At this point people will say they would tell grandma that they "appreciate it" that are "glad she sent it," etc. And I push back on then and say, "That's not what grandma asked. She asked, 'Do you like the sweater?'" People then say they would lie to grandma to "save her feelings." I then ask, "Whose feelings are you saving? Her's or yours? After some more discussion I then ask the class, "How many of you would lie to your grandma to save her feelings? everybody raises their hand. Then I say, "If you are willing to lie to a women you love, what are you willing to do to each other or a total stranger?" So no one is excused from class and i would go on to teach the class....LOL.

Sorry for the long story (not really..) but when it comes down to ethics it usually comes to a rationalization and we usually will kid ourselves to justify what we want. There are many opportunities to be unethical..choose wisely....Anyway, thanks for letting me pontificate....

Geez, now we can't even TRUST Alex!

Now that made me LOL.......Good one.

Ethics of ebay sellers. Is there such a thing. I was back and forth on a item talking with seller this morning as I had made a offer. I figured we would come up with a price we both would be happy with. I only do this on overpriced items that have make offer in listing. In a matter of minutes on the forth email seller sent offer excepted through or store and it was no longer for sale.

Lesson learned -- but I'm not sure what it was!!

Seller Probably couldn't explain it Either Loyd!
Beyond his Comprehension!

Unethical? The seller broke no contract and paid listing fees. As usual, its people that didn't get a deal that complains.

Ebay allows the auction to be ended for several reasons!
Wine all you want about this EVERY time it is brought up, BUT UNTIL EBAY STOPS ALLOWING IT THEN YOU REALLY SHOULD STOP WINING!
I got an idea...Go Complain to ebay! Its their rules!!!!

This issue has been discussed here before.... I do like Sellersroshop's point about eBay leveling the playing field and actually serving both parties instead of only the buyer. But, I also feel that when someone lists an item in an auction style listing with eBay or anyone else, they should not have the option of changing their mind and pulling the listing. Try that with Matthews/ Morphy and see how it goes over. eBay is not intended to be merely an advertising site, it's an auction/sale site. If you end early you are shorting eBay their final value fee for what you sold your item for privately using their site. Not sure how you can call that right? The listing fee isn't all of their income for the service provided. I have heard, but cannot confirm that they may assess a final value fee based on reserve price if you end early??

Ohio Oil that's your take on it. You would have to see the emails. Item wasn't sold on ebay but store front. My third email said I see we are not going to do the back and forth price dance.
After asking some questions about item,I said I was going back to ebay and buy it now at listed price. If I'm talking with person about item,I would hold off excepting other offers. But maybe I only view things from a buyers standpoint as I don't sell on ebay and don't have a store front.

Little off topic because this was not auction listing-sorry didn't mean to highjack topic. Like Ed just venting.

and none of those reasons are "BECAUSE I WAS OFFERED TO SELL IT OFF EBAY AND NOT PAY THE MEASLY LITTLE FEES"

So once again it comes down to honesty and integrity when a buyer sells an item to someone that made the offer, then checks off one of the reasons why he ended the sale. Because none of them are truthful.

The BIGGEST Whiners are the ones that believe what they want to believe to suit themselves.

Just Saying!!!

Ebay makes You pay the final value fee now on ALL ended listings too!
Alot of ebay sellers have their items in antique malls and other websites while listed on ebay too...
Those people are the ones demanding the ability to end an auction early if it sells elsewhere.
I recently bought a sign that was listed on ebay BUT seller said it was also for sale locally? So I called his ONLY antique store in town and drove over and bought it for 100 less than it was at on ebay

EVERY time this is discussed... I mention this, so I might as well do it again.

When an item is listed auction-style with no reserve... its okay to wait to place your highest bid, but place some early bids on that item and get that price to jump up right away.

This is the best way to fight this dilemma... any no reserve auction style listing that is ended early results in the seller being charged final value fees of the price it was at when they ended it. Sellers only get 1 freebie per year.

So when you see something that you dont want to end early... bid it up early, then place your max bid for a snipe at the end.

Ebay rule #1 for ending auction early...
Item is lost, broken, or otherwise NO LONGER available for sale!
Until ebay changes THEIR RULES! Get used to it!
Funny how the biggest winers cant follow oldgas rules YET they wanna cry over ebay and someone else's items? Then they wine when told HOW to sell their items on here!
*Wanna make a change? Get an online petition going to have ebay STOP the practice...Do something constructive.....

relax, dry your eyes and go for a bike ride...just sayin!

Screw It!
I'm headed over to Tom's, he's bringing out the WINE. Together we'll figure a better way to be WINnING on ebay.
Then we'll head over to Loyds & see if he is ACCEPTING our offer!
EXCEPTING that he might not like Tom & I, Ohio Oil's a Great guy!

I'll see ya there Dick! Bring some oranges!!

Would they have a "contact seller" if it wasn't an option?
Seems like it's part of the Ebay process.
I don't do Ebay---Buy or sell

I'll take WINE over WHINE any day, but because somebody voices what they feel is wrong, doesn't always mean they're WHINING.

The "contact a seller" is to ask questions about an item, such as the condition, missing or broken pieces, delivery options, etc.

It is unfortunate that eBay has evolved that way. I don't believe that was the intended practice. And Buy It Now and Make an Offer were meant to deal with that. If you are willing to accept an offer then list the item that way. It's pretty simple. As stated above, if you go to a Matthews auction (or any other auction)you can't make an offer on an item.

It's pretty clear. If we have made an offer on an eBay auction item to end an auction early. We are cheating, plain and simple. And I have done it as well because I wanted that Texaco item very much. Like I said in my long earlier post. We can rationalize and justify just about anything to get what we want. And we do so usually for our own benefit and not someone else's. So, like it or not....we would all lie to our grandma. LOL. Now, I am off to see if I can end an auction early......

Some people lack the ability to intelligently have a discussion with someone who holds a differing opinion or view. Making derogatory remarks in no way furthers the debate at hand or in anyway sheds them in a favorable light.

For someone to hold and voice a differing opinion is not whining. It is the normal process by which we have for generations solved problems or found better ways to do things. Whoever can't grasp this concept is suffering from a serious deficiency of brain cells!

matthews auctions isnt a 7-10 day listing...so lets compare apples to apples...
continually beating a dead horse is whining especially when its the same people with same complaint...
I dont like the fact ebay allows it either BUT they do...
So far we got Wine, Oranges, Apples and a Dead Horse riding a beat up motorcycle....

Orville Redenbacker has run out of popcorn. He assures me a new supply will be in by the time this topics shows up again.

They DO NOT allow it for the purpose being debated, again I PROVED this last time it was talked about (and I did it respectfully) The reason they do allow it is lost/broken/stolen/items misrepresented/etc. NOT because it was sold out from under them and the bidders who were interested. This is easy enough to find out, anyone debating the other side of this call eBay and ask them "can I end my auction and sell to another buyer outside eBay ?" see what they say and come back here and be HONEST about what they told you.

A Bunch of Collectors Suffering a serious deficiency of brain cells.
IF we had a full Cranium, we'd get a Divorce!

WE Can't EAT, Wear, Drive, Use this Stuff. It's Bragging Rights to have it on the wall.

how many old gassers have gotten a ebay auction stopped early? "one day" poll..

ebay auction "end early" single choice

I have (61%, 28 Votes)

I have NOT (39%, 18 Votes)

Total Votes: 46 Voting on this poll ends: 0 seconds ago

Good one Dave!

BTW, does anyone have the LINK(s) for the previous discussion(s) on similar topic?

2014 & going forward ... eBay + Live Auctions! IMO, the one with money + desire to own it bad, WINS. Regardless!

My 2-cents worth of Wine!

Hen

I am on the phone with Ebay right, now... According to the Ebay Customer Service Rep... (her name is Joy)... I asked the question: Is it a violation of Ebay Rules, to contacted a Seller and make a BIN offer, even if the Auction has no provision for making such offers?

Her answer is: No, It is not a violation of Ebay Rules, to contact a Seller and ask if they will accept a BIN offer?

I explained that we are having this conversation and have had it many times in the past... For the record, last time we had this conversation, I contacted Ebay... And both times, I have gotten the same answer... As long as the transaction is done on Ebay, NO Rules have been violated....

According to Joy, Ebay has a "Time Period" where the Seller can change their Auction. If that period has past; The Seller has the option to stop their Auction...

Since, I always do the transactions through Ebay and I always use Paypal. In doing so, both I the Buyer and the Seller meet all requirements according to these Ebay Customer Service Reps...

Maybe, I am asking the question in a different manner, than anyone who has gotten a different answer. I have no idea... But, according to the Ebay Customer Service Rep, I just got off the phone with... As long as the transaction is done, through Ebay... Neither I nor the Seller have broken any Ebay Rules...

The length of the auction is irrelevant to the point. eBay is a timed auction and Matthew's is not. Only the format is different. Ether way you can't go to a Matthews Auction and buy the item without bidding on it. Now if eBay was a classified ad only and the seller paid to have it posted for seven days and could sell it before it expires...wait, they do that..it is called Buy It Now or Make an Offer...LOL...Listing an item in the timed auction means your intent is to let the auction (yes, it is an auction) go to the end. Again, I have cheated by offering to buy from a seller as well.

Popcorn has arrived..

Bob Richards, you asked her about a BUY IT NOW offer. That is not what this thread is about.
Call again and ask if you can make an offer to buy it off eBay.

She will probably tell you it is posted in every email that is sent back and forth that IT IS NOT ALLOWED. of course some here think that for for the other people and not meant for them.

Rick, the thread is about stopping an Auction early!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Title of the thread is: "E-Bay Auctions Ending Early, Signs"

Here is a direct quote from Ed: "They weren't on the listing for 48 hours and now all 4 are no longer available. WOW, imagine that! I am really sick and tired of the good stuff never lasting till the end of the auction before someone calls the seller and cuts a deal."

Ed, made no mention of any transactions taking place off of Ebay... Because Ed has no idea, if a deal was made for the signs... On or off Ebay... He wasn't part of the negotiations for the signs... So he commented on what he actually knew happened...

I addressed the actual topic... Stopping an Auction early... AND THAT IS NOT AGAINST EBAY RULES....

When, I contact a Seller and make them an offer; I personally ask that the Seller do it as a BIN... That is what I stated for the last 5+ years that this subject has come up... And some Members called me out and said, I was breaking Ebay Rules and that I am not ethical, in their opinion...

That is what I asked the Ebay Rep... And THAT IS NOT AGAINST THE RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As to me being ethical, I don't give a damn what anyone else believes...

**************
I have been constant in what I have posted, from my first post... I don't judge, because I don't have the knowledge, life experiences nor power, to do so... I will leave that to others...

But, what I have done; Is, I have stayed true to the question...

It's OK to disagree, but leave the personal attacks out.

Hi Bob: I think we are mixing the issues. I believe you can ask a seller to change the auction to a BIN and even have you as the only bidder and ebay gets its fees. If I am reading the original thread correctly...if you just ask the seller to sell it to you outside of eBay, that is outside the rules. But, there are lots of bigger issues in the world to solve. Happy Saturday all.

Alex, please show me ANYWHERE in Ed's post where he said anything about a deal outside of Ebay?

In fact here is the initial post from Ed: "I just wanted to vent on this. I know it has been mentioned before. An E-Bayer just listed 4, 6 foot signs on e-bay. They had been refurbished on 1 side and I was interested in bidding on 2 of them. They weren't on the listing for 48 hours and now all 4 are no longer available. WOW, imagine that! I am really sick and tired of the good stuff never lasting till the end of the auction before someone calls the seller and cuts a deal. I don't play that way, can't E-bay do something to stop this? Whew, I feel better.
grin Ed Steagall."


NO WHERE did Ed say that a deal was done outside of Ebay...

I'm not "mixing issues"... Others added the subject of stopping an auction to sell an item outside of Ebay...

From where I sit, I am the only one who is actually addressing the subject ED brought up....

Well, Is Everybody Happy? Like the old voice on the radio would say. I guess I should maybe add a little more clarification on a couple points. I have approached an E-Bay seller before an auction was over TO ADD A BUY-IT-NOW PRICE. They edited the listing and the deal was completed through proper E-Bay channels, AND the item will show up under Completed Items with the info. These signs, 4 different listings, all posted within minutes of each other, all disappeared at the same time and there is no trace of them ever being listed, i.e. under completed sales if the proper Buy-it-Now was added. This leads me to believe the items were pulled and sold outside proper rules. If you bid early, that will only raise the final price, if it even meets reserve. I think most bidders will be in the Watching Category and will jump at the last moment. If it doesn't meet reserve, THEN I would feel legitimate to contact the seller and ask what it would take to buy the item. You will also be in a better position as a Buyer because the item did not reach as much as the seller thought it was worth. Thank you all for not getting nasty or belligerent, just SPIRITED !!
Ed Steagall

I think I am reading this right. If a seller has an item as a regular ebay auction you can ask them to change the listing as a BIN. That is considered buying an item "inside" of eBay. If the seller has an item as a regular auction and you contact the seller and offer him a price and he takes it. That is considered buying "outside" of eBay. I believe that is what the complaint is about.

I think that's exactly it Alex, the (my) complaint was never a request for a buy it now price...that's apparently on the up & up (although I would rather it didn't happen either LOL). Those will show up as "sold" and or "completed listing" with price included for everyone to see etc. It's the listings that mysteriously disappear that are labeled "item no longer available" that are in question, that's the "shady" part I don't and I think others don't like.

If you were watching an item and waiting to bid on it, I'm thinking you would be disappointed/frustrated if it were sold before the auction ran its course regardless of it was through an agreed BIN or sold outside of eBay.

I'm reading that the gist of the frustration in the OP is that you didn't get your chance, and I agree it's frustrating. I think it makes it easier to complain if they broke eBay's rules, but that's a different argument.

BTW, now that it's cleared up that it is ok to contact a seller to stop an auction if you do it under a BIN, the peace of mind for a buyer to go through the eBay channels is worth it.

Damn, does this mean, I am ethical, now?

Interesting four pages of reading; Ed I feel your pain!

Working a deal with a fellow collector to go in together to buy these signs.....about 12 hours into the auction the listing had ended "poof"

"This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available."

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221440573665?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT#ht_697wt_1171

OK, this one is a special case, I believe!

In this case, eBay got their share (closed at 9,500), right?

Hen

No, it appears to me that the listing had 2 bids up to $3,550.00, then auction was pulled by the seller. "This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available."

So, why does the page show:

Price:US $9,500.00

How does it work?

Thanks,

Hen

I wonder if that wast he buy it now price? But if they had hit the BIN, it would not say item is no longer available. So, this, I think is alnother example of where people think they are going to be able to bid on an item and, oops..sorry. I think this is gong to lead to more of this and in the long run will hurt eBay as people will get frustrated and stop coming here or perpetuate more off ebay sales.

I told you you were a stand-up guy. You just didn't know it...LOL

The $9,500 was the Buy it Now Price; had the two bids at $3,550 approximately 12 hours into a several day auction.....then the listing ended with the item no longer available. eBay DID NOT share in a $9,500 sale; I'm only speculating because I do not know the actual facts but my guess is that eBay got nothing for the sale of these two signs.

An oldgas member/picker must have made the "right" offer to the seller to end the auction of the Chevy signs. They now have ONE of the signs listed for $26,500!...

Ebay # 141312334780

Got that Wrong, GILMORE. He is a User of oldgas.
Members Participate.

There is a behind the scene story to this now.....I'm not going to air my MAJOR displeasure on how this has now played out.....but not "cool" at all!

To connect the dots see my first post in this thread...........

I am sure there are those who wonder why flippers and pickers are treated with disdain. Screwing others in the pursuit of profit can not be seen by "good men" as stellar conduct.

Glad, I'm not one of those who thinks it okay to be a shady operator on e-Bay or in life. I'm sure these people conduct business in life with the same lack of ethics and greed.

Wow! Pretty quick to throw someone under the bus. I know both of these guys(father & son) and they are good people. Don't know the circumstances of this deal but I'll vouch for their integrity and ethics in everything I've done with them both buying and selling. Once again who are we to judge when a seller sells for X and the buyer decides to ask for y on the resell.

once its in your possession, you can do what or put any number you want on it..

Most of us go by the "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

The circumstances of the deal seem obvious to me. They made an offer when bids were already made. For everyone that seen the initial auction, then notice it ended early, then see same sign listed by another seller... I believe can figure out what happened.

It's all a game. Money talks, ethics walks. Can't blame the buyers much, the sellers are the ones cancelling bids to end auctions. Sucks when your a bidder though and this happens. That's why I don't don't do it. But, through loopholes in ebay, bidders can make offers on items with bids and sellers can end items claiming they are lost or broken.

Doesn't matter if you know the person, know the family, or if it's you. However you twist it, doesn't make it right, in the eyes of most people. I assume.

And, your right, a person can ask whatever they want for something they own. I didn't see that being questioned here.

Just spoke with the owner of the signs. All the facts of this deal and why some might be upset are not present. I suggest everyone know the facts of a particular deal before voicing a strong opinion. I stand by my assessment.

Okay, before someone says something they may regret later, I will expose more details I had not intended to divulge. The signs I originally referred to were 4 six footers in New Lennox Illinois, by Chicago. A Red and white Phillips 66, Oval Standard, Sinclair HC and A Lion on the Rock. All refurbished on 1 side shown still on a metal building wall. They had reserves, NO BIN. There had been some nibble bids on all, I had contacted the seller with some questions on the Lion about condition. Next morning when I checked my E-mail for a response, all 4 were gone. The only way I had access to the HC and Lion was because they were put in my Watch List. Just sad to miss them because I expected the sale to go till end, not end early when there is no BIN. Guess I should have known better. The REAL question now that the signs identity has been revealed: Did and Old Gasser buy them?
Ed.

Now I'm curious to know the facts... for us that aren't in the "know", we see an auction that was ended early because the item was "lost or broken". Did bagged find the "lost" Chevy signs or fix them for the initial seller? Or, did he make an offer on them and get the seller to cancel the bids, end the auction and sell them to him?

Educate me/us. So we know the facts. Otherwise I, and I assume others, will stand by our assessment.

I guess it must have been Col. Mustard, in the Library, with The Candlestick..................
Ed.

Another Detoured/High Jacked Thread.

Ed's deal and the Chevy signs aren't the same deal I don't think. Find the facts yourself. I did.

No, different deals. Sorry.
Ed.

Fact:
People will continue to end auctions.
Life is not fair.
This is way off Topic.
Life is too short to waste any more time on this.


Don't hate the players hate the game.

Amen, Let it end here and now.
Ed.

The topic here is about auctions ending early on ebay, is it not? The Chevy signs were ended early... that's off topic?

Myself, and others, would just like to know the facts of the matter, since you say our "assessment" is wrong

I guess this can just be chalked up as another moment when one says don't pass judgement on a situation until you know the facts... yet, while we wait, and wait, for the "facts" to be told, they never are.

No big deal. It'd just be nice if people would explain why I/we are wrong here. Especially, a case as simple as this.