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#576468 - Fri Oct 24 2014 07:40 PM Re: gasco pump sign [Re: hancock-oil]
KZ1000 Offline
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Registered: Sun Oct 21 2007
Loc: Mass
on the flip side, did you find out who on Oldgas tried to buy the sign out from under you.
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#576470 - Fri Oct 24 2014 07:53 PM Re: gasco pump sign [Re: Lastgas15]
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Thanks for the breakdown on contract law, but I'm not impressed.

A lawyer stepped in and browbeat some uneducated guy into selling a sign for a fraction of it's worth.

You two shoulda kept it quiet as it certainly reeks of the more unseemly side of collecting IMO
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#576473 - Fri Oct 24 2014 08:14 PM Re: gasco pump sign [Re: DCpate]
Lastgas15 Offline
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Registered: Mon Mar 04 2002
Loc: illinois
And it's not unseemly for a seller to back out of a deal so he can sell an item for more money to someone else?
The seller could have protected himself with a reserve.


Edited by Lastgas15 (Fri Oct 24 2014 08:14 PM)
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#576476 - Fri Oct 24 2014 08:21 PM Re: gasco pump sign [Re: KZ1000]
THERMOMAN Offline
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Registered: Tue Aug 15 2006
Loc: smyrna, de USA
Originally Posted By: KZ1000
on the flip side, did you find out who on Oldgas tried to buy the sign out from under you.


I'm sure it was heading to indiana
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#576477 - Fri Oct 24 2014 08:24 PM Re: gasco pump sign [Re: DCpate]
K W FRITH Online   content
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Registered: Sun Oct 21 2007
Loc: Devils Lake, ND---USA
There are a lot of ethics at question here, but I believe that every unreserved auction on ebay should be completed according to the contractual terms that you agree to when listing an item with ebay! The ethics of the person trying to subvert the deal with a higher offer after the sale was completed, should be the issue here.
If Jeff took the time to explain the rules to a floundering seller, who then realized his mistake-- that action should be applauded.
It is the greed of the the other person that induced him to try and subvert the ethics of a contractual auction, and that person needs to be the one to be flogged!
Eric was simply the lucky buyer on the spot that pushed the buy it now button and Jeff was only trying to point out the contractual obligations of the seller.
This whole scenario came out the way the law intended it to, and the scammer went scott free!
I can't believe anyone would choose to see it any other way.
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#576479 - Fri Oct 24 2014 08:26 PM Re: gasco pump sign [Re: K W FRITH]
Lastgas15 Offline
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Loc: illinois
Well said Kevin.
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#576486 - Fri Oct 24 2014 08:59 PM Re: gasco pump sign [Re: Lastgas15]
pumpingethyl Offline
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Registered: Sun Nov 30 2008
Loc: Downey , CA
Ebay has made a lot of changes regarding seeing info on past or completed auctions lately. I would like to see them change people's ability to see completed auction results unless you were a bidder. In particular "buy it nows". This whole situation occurred because there are people searching the completed auctions for "buy it nows" that were under market price items or "deals" with the sole intent on offering more and screwing the original buyer. They contact the seller offering more money, sometimes thousands more. This is unethical to me and pretty sleazy. Sellers that are happy with their original "buy it now price" are suddenly told they sold it too cheap. Many sellers have no ethics and will sell to the higher offer and screw the original buyer. IMO BOTH have no ethics and are WRONG. This is happening more and more. I know several members that have been screwed by these f*****s many times. Eliminate the ability to see sold items to non bidders and you will help eliminate this from happening. The guys making the offers after the auction is over are just as sleazy, if not more, as the sellers that are cancelling the purchase.


Edited by Watchdog9 (Fri Oct 24 2014 09:16 PM)
Edit Reason: foul language
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#576488 - Fri Oct 24 2014 09:08 PM Re: gasco pump sign [Re: pumpingethyl]
Neil Gerrard Offline
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Registered: Tue Dec 09 2003
Loc: Canby, Oregon
I don't get the anger at getting someone to live up to their moral and in this case legal obligations. the seller screwed up by selling the sign too cheap, so what. Everyone who thinks making this guy live up to obligation be sure and go back and give money to all the people you've bought stuff from that was a great deal. granted no one should be able to force you to sell something UNLESS you've entered it in a public forum for sale or auction. And if I remember my business law class from 35 years ago the fact that Eric payed is the consideration part of the contract thus making it enforceable. Glad you got it Eric, good job Jeff.


Edited by Neil Gerrard (Fri Oct 24 2014 09:10 PM)

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#576495 - Fri Oct 24 2014 09:44 PM Re: gasco pump sign [Re: Neil Gerrard]
really Offline
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Registered: Mon May 13 2013
Loc: Texas
Someone inherits a lot on the water of Lake Tahoe...they think it's worth 50K, so they list if for that, it sells in a day, going into escrow.

The next day they find out they could have got 250K. Would everyone go thru with that deal and not try to back out?, or is it the dollar amount that makes it different?

Because the principal is exactly the same.





Edited by really (Fri Oct 24 2014 09:47 PM)

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#576497 - Fri Oct 24 2014 09:53 PM Re: gasco pump sign [Re: really]
Lastgas15 Offline
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Registered: Mon Mar 04 2002
Loc: illinois
Really, a deal is a deal. Dollar amount has nothing to do with it.....or at least it shouldn't.
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#576498 - Fri Oct 24 2014 09:59 PM Re: gasco pump sign [Re: really]
K W FRITH Online   content
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Registered: Sun Oct 21 2007
Loc: Devils Lake, ND---USA
It seems to be very evident that you support the idea of the seller trying to rescind his obligations in the ebay sale! While your example is totally different and completely irrelevant, the fact that you would think it "OK" to back out of a deal, speaks volumes about your character.
The real "culprit" here anyway, is the sleazy individual that tried to circumvent the deal for his own personal gain! I don't think there is any question over legality or error on the listing. Just the despicable action of the greedy individual that lurks in the shadows and tries to subvert the honest dealings of others.
I have had it happen twice to me on public offerings here on Old Gas, and each time, the seller informed me of the happenings and also informed me of the perpetrators name. The actions of those sellers gained so much respect from me, that I wouldn't hesitate to buy from them at any time!
On the other hand, I would openly question the motives of anyone that would condone this type of behavior!
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#576511 - Fri Oct 24 2014 10:43 PM Re: gasco pump sign [Re: K W FRITH]
really Offline
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Registered: Mon May 13 2013
Loc: Texas
K.W....if that was directed at me, you can't read....I didn't say one way or another how I felt...I just asked a question.

And the principal of my question is exactly the same. just different property and money....but the issue is identical....sorry if you can;t see that.




Edited by really (Fri Oct 24 2014 10:47 PM)

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#576513 - Fri Oct 24 2014 10:55 PM Re: gasco pump sign [Re: really]
Neil Gerrard Offline
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Registered: Tue Dec 09 2003
Loc: Canby, Oregon
what if what if what if? why bother confusing the issue, it's about sign on ebay, someone can't read that's for sure

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#576520 - Fri Oct 24 2014 11:46 PM Re: gasco pump sign [Re: really]
K W FRITH Online   content
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Registered: Sun Oct 21 2007
Loc: Devils Lake, ND---USA
No its not identical. There's no third person subverting the issue and asking the seller to cancel! THEY are the real criminal in this issue and if you can't see it, then you must be on the wrong side of the fence.
A man is only as good as his word!


Edited by K W FRITH (Fri Oct 24 2014 11:48 PM)
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#576521 - Fri Oct 24 2014 11:49 PM Re: gasco pump sign [Re: really]
DCpate Offline
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Registered: Wed Nov 08 2000
Loc: Norman, OK
Originally Posted By: really
K.W....if that was directed at me, you can't read....I didn't say one way or another how I felt...I just asked a question.

And the principal of my question is exactly the same. just different property and money....but the issue is identical....sorry if you can;t see that.




Hey Really, if you have a contrary opinion then your morals must be questioned!

haha

I question the morals of having a lawyer working to build my sign collection.

Especially on a flimsy $400 small claims case that any judge would find ridiculous and a waste of the court's time. "But Judge it's worth $1500! We ask for specific performance!"

Whatever
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