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#614279 - Thu May 21 2015 11:55 AM Re: Am I a fool or was I mislead? [Re: Done4]
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OUCH
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#614285 - Thu May 21 2015 01:16 PM Re: Am I a fool or was I mislead? [Re: KZ1000]
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Another example of the dangers to collectors with restored signs. The guy at the end of the line gets a bum deal. And the guy who knew it was restored and passed it off as real gets off scot-free with the money.

OUCH, indeed!
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#614289 - Thu May 21 2015 01:48 PM Re: Am I a fool or was I mislead? [Re: Oldgas]
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that sucks Bryce, sorry

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#614290 - Thu May 21 2015 01:58 PM Re: Am I a fool or was I mislead? [Re: Oldgas]
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Someone was out to fraud and knew what they were doing when they patched that up . That's no diffrent from the lies and deception that currently going on at Ebay with all that faked india china Bangladesh or wherever junk. ..... I would be upset also 2k ?
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#614293 - Thu May 21 2015 01:58 PM Re: Am I a fool or was I mislead? [Re: Oldgas]
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Originally Posted By: Oldgas
And the guy who knew it was restored and passed it off as real gets off scot-free with the money.


...they wouldn't, if the auction house made an issue about it...
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#614294 - Thu May 21 2015 02:08 PM Re: Am I a fool or was I mislead? [Re: tomzcollectiblez]
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Originally Posted By: tomzcollectiblez
NEVER have I ever heard of anyone trying to remove clear coating from a sign???


Tom, well you have now- bought this sign over 15 yrs ago & one side was clear coated- the mall owner let me take the clear off the one side then said do you still want it for
what you offered- haven't done anything too it since- side 2 picture 2 was the side that was clear coated ... cool


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#614301 - Thu May 21 2015 02:44 PM Re: Am I a fool or was I mislead? [Re: gulfiend!]
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Originally Posted By: gulfiend!
Originally Posted By: Oldgas
And the guy who knew it was restored and passed it off as real gets off scot-free with the money.


...they wouldn't, if the auction house made an issue about it...


that was my argument in the beginning. the accountability should be passed down the supply chain. the consignor has the responsibility of not deceiving the auction house, the auction house has the responsibility of not deceiving the bidders.
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#614302 - Thu May 21 2015 03:05 PM Re: Am I a fool or was I mislead? [Re: BryceG]
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Registered: Sat May 05 2007
Loc: Nokomis, Il. USA
I have not read any of your post here but all I will say is "that I stated that the sign was clear coated" or "clear". Either way I stated what I knew about the sign, my seller bought the sign in collection along time ago he had no ideal about the sign just like me. If Bryce could have pointed out before stripping the sign that it had been restored I would have took it back, no question asked, but he was not going to return it the same condition as it was sold to him.

This is why I do not like restored or clear coated signs, but I still have to sell them with collections.

And no I will not take the sign back unless it is in the same condition as it was sold to him.

I DID NOT TRY TO HIDE ANYTHING FROM ANYBODY, IF ANYBODY THINKS ANY DIFFERENT THEN THEIR DONT KNOW ME and I dont need to know them.

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#614311 - Thu May 21 2015 03:36 PM Re: Am I a fool or was I mislead? [Re: Mattgas]
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so if I have Van Kannel spot restore it back to what it was (or better), I can return it?
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#614323 - Thu May 21 2015 05:34 PM Re: Am I a fool or was I mislead? [Re: Neil Gerrard]
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Registered: Sun Jul 25 2010
Loc: Midwest
Sorry to see this mess Bryce. Perhaps your best bet to recoup as much of your investment as possible is to have it restored again, and resell it? (of course, you'll note it as restored ). Personally, I've found it's best to get rid of these "lessons". You'll never forget it anyway, but having the constant reminder staring at you (in this case literally!) doesn't help much. I would certainly hope the auctioneer would have a serious discussion with their consignor about this situation.

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#614368 - Thu May 21 2015 11:10 PM Re: Am I a fool or was I mislead? [Re: Signs&Neons]
JimT Online   content
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Hey Bryce. Maybe have them restore the entire sign and then have them relist it as a "10" with a light clear coat.


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#614377 - Fri May 22 2015 06:33 AM Re: Am I a fool or was I mislead? [Re: JimT]
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Loc: Northwest Ohio
The real tragedy is that when there is a problem like this, it get aired out on the internet.

An even bigger tragedy, in this issue and in most of modern America, people have an expectation of others rescuing them from their own poor decisions.

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#614382 - Fri May 22 2015 07:55 AM Re: Am I a fool or was I mislead? [Re: Ohio Oil]
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Registered: Wed Jul 04 2012
Loc: Ontario,Can
Originally Posted By: Ohio Oil
The real tragedy is that when there is a problem like this, it get aired out on the internet.

An even bigger tragedy, in this issue and in most of modern America, people have an expectation of others rescuing them from their own poor decisions.


Well Said, and I can't emphasise enough that anybody involved in this market whether buying or selling should invest in a tool like this pictured. This tells you exactly what is hidden under any sign and could have prevented this situation from ever happening. Within 30 seconds a sign can be determined it's condition history.


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#614397 - Fri May 22 2015 09:33 AM Re: Am I a fool or was I mislead? [Re: junior25]
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...what is that thing?
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#614404 - Fri May 22 2015 10:17 AM Re: Am I a fool or was I mislead? [Re: gulfiend!]
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Originally Posted By: gulfiend!
...what is that thing?


I don't know but I want one ... cool
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