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signs are incorrect, but look good to the unknowing, & descriptions are vague.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&am...gn&_sacat=0

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The Sunset and Union signs were originally listed as repros. Seller ended the auctions and relisted without saying they were fakes. !#$%! Seller, selling !#%^! signs.


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Thank you for posting Bryce! Bold seller to list reproductions and his phone number. If anyone has questions or comments it is 513-543-6656. smirk


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I asked if original or reproductions and he at least stated they are "powder coated older reproductions"


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If anyone has any problems call me my number is posted I'm not trying to screw anyone. I had a few signs made for myself sometime ago. Now I'm selling them due to having a lot of original stuff. No way am I trying market these signs and get original prices. You people should know what this stuff sells for in original condition. Go buy a sunset or minute man for 300 or 400. Good luck I posted my number so if people had questions they could call me I'm not like most who are running and hiding and trying to screw people who don't know better. I've been in this hobby a long time and know most of you. So just wanted to let everyone know the truth.

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SO why not list them as reproductions then?


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Anybody that knows about signs can look at them and tell that there reproductions and if anyone asks they will get a honest answer. If you don't like them don't bid if you like the look and want something to look at for a very small fraction of cost go for it.

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Where might one find 30" Minute Man "pre" rust and chipped? I cannot disagree with your logic, but I would like a Minute Man 30" like new at a fraction of the cost. Is there a website or did you pick these up at a show?

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Originally Posted By nochevys
SO why not list them as reproductions then?

He originally listed a couple of them as repros.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Union-76-Minute-Man-30-Enamel-Sign-/181977991652?hash=item2a5ebbc9e4%3Ag%3APmMAAOSwL7VWhhOz&nma=true&si=KQF21KDbnFoXG2drqOLcLuge%252BnQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
He ended those auctions and relisted them, but must have forgotten to say they were fake in the 2nd listing. But he did use the "heavy,thick,enamel" in the description just like the fine folks from South American and India use. wink
http://www.ebay.com/itm/30-Two-sided-Union-76-Minute-Man-sign-/181978454236?hash=item2a5ec2d8dc%3Ag%3AafIAAOSwL7VWhrfV&nma=true&si=KQF21KDbnFoXG2drqOLcLuge%252BnQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557


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Unless the seller can supply a valid reason for not listing the signs as reproductions then it looks to me like the only reason is to get more $$$$.

Not necessarily original sign money, but more money none the less.

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Originally Posted By Rjhart123
Anybody that knows about signs can look at them and tell that there reproductions and if anyone asks they will get a honest answer.


Trouble is, your ad looks like its designed to fool the uneducated buyer that does not know his signs! Sure, those of us that have been around for some time, will know the difference, but some poor schmuck looking for his first signs, would never know!
Theres a lot to be said about truth in advertising!
It tends to reflect on the advertiser!


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Originally Posted By Rjhart123
Anybody that knows about signs can look at them and tell that there reproductions and if anyone asks they will get a honest answer.


Originally Posted By Rjhart123
I'm not like most who are running and hiding and trying to screw people who don't know better.


Originally Posted By Rjhart123
No way am I trying market these signs and get original prices.



So let me get this right. If someone doesn't know signs then it is fair game not to state it is a repop? You're justification is that you don't expect to get a lot of money? And a potential bidder knows this how?

If it is true that the Sunset and Minute Man were originally shown as repop and then altered to delete that wording, that is prima facia evidence of intent to deceive.

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I am fairly new to collecting I thought the Sinclair looked like it was real plus I didn't know they were repoping that type of sign the sunset and minute man i figured were fakes I'm grateful for oldgas and you guys on it.

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I would suggest that the seller notify the bidders they are fake signs and change the listing to reflect that. A persons good reputation in this hobby is worth a lot. I for one would not knowingly try to sell a fake item without letting people know up front to make sure there is no confusion. People have a good memory..


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Originally Posted By Wes Maxwell
I would suggest that the seller notify the bidders they are fake signs and change the listing to reflect that. A persons good reputation in this hobby is worth a lot. I for one would not knowingly try to sell a fake item without letting people know up front to make sure there is no confusion. People have a good memory..
Bingo !!!


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Honesty , that is what this is all about ! You either are or you are not . It's all in the upbringing .
It is Sad .
Pretty easy to attempt to justify your own intentions but it's awful difficult to convince others that you did not mean to deceive buyers.


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Originally Posted By Wes Maxwell
I would suggest that the seller notify the bidders they are fake signs and change the listing to reflect that. A persons good reputation in this hobby is worth a lot. I for one would not knowingly try to sell a fake item without letting people know up front to make sure there is no confusion. People have a good memory..


IMO...I think once the hammer and hydrochloric acid hit the 30" signs this was/is not going to happen. Also no picture of the back. That is a telltale indicator of misinformation in my experience (intentional or not).

I still want to know where you find these reproductions on line or in a catalog. It would be nice to see what is being produced before hitting the secondary markets (or getting hit with the hammers).


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Looks like someone is just hoping for the sucker that doesn't call and bids high thinking its original.
It is a misleading description by someone that knows exactly what they are selling.


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Originally Posted By Rjhart123
Anybody that knows about signs can look at them and tell that there reproductions and if anyone asks they will get a honest answer. If you don't like them don't bid if you like the look and want something to look at for a very small fraction of cost go for it.


Are these your signs that are in question? This same seller I guess by the feedback got to a buyer by misrepresentation by the bad feedback he gave.

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:o .............

Wonderful stuff that's why I'm here there is always someone trying to rip others and without information why would you bother.

Its gets to the point of thinking another hobby might be a better idea rather than trying to sort the real from the fake, I'll persevere but are very cautious ..........

Cheers bigears :)

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Originally Posted By bigears
shocked .............

Wonderful stuff that's why I'm here there is always someone trying to rip others and without information why would you bother.

Its gets to the point of thinking another hobby might be a better idea rather than trying to sort the real from the fake, I'll persevere but are very cautious ..........

Cheers bigears smile

Andy, Just keep asking questions here and together we can help each other smile

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How can you sell this junk and not expect to get blow back??

Can't stand the argument that cheap repros have value for collectors who "can't afford the real thing."


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