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New 2 Forum, Bowser 245 schooling required #700898
Wed Dec 20 2017 05:59 AM
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New to forum, amateur restorer/collector, trying to become educated on Bowser, sheet metal, sliding top, gas pump.
Where is sales data/photo and more for Bowser 245?
Thank you
Craig

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Re: New 2 Forum, Bowser 245 schooling required [Re: tokig] #700905
Wed Dec 20 2017 09:09 AM
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My Bowser literature shows the 245 to be a curb oil dispenser, it is almost identical to the 241 which is a gasoline dispenser. Your pump is a gas dispenser.

I have sales literature and ads for the 241, email me if interested. jhsim@petrocollect.com

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Re: New 2 Forum, Bowser 245 schooling required [Re: tokig] #700906
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Thank you Jack,I have a magazine ad 1917 show this model, I am assuming it is a Bowser 245 just based on my limited research.



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Re: New 2 Forum, Bowser 245 schooling required [Re: tokig] #700909
Wed Dec 20 2017 11:36 AM
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3 more photos of my Bowser.
I have owned this for 30+ years and did an amateur restoration 30 years ago and then lent it to a friend for his man cave because I didn't have room. Friend moved to Florida and returned it.

I bought a fresh Bowser plate for the top at Hershey. I have the stamped original.

I screwed new pipes in the top to fit the current room height, left off the old vacuum break. I am looking for it now. I have seen it lately rolling around my shop.

Is this pump a Bowser 245?
Thank you
Craig

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Re: New 2 Forum, Bowser 245 schooling required [Re: tokig] #700912
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My understanding, after several days of web browsing, is the 1922 Bowser Advertisement indicates you could purchase an after market Bowser kit to convert your piston pump Bowser into a visible pump. Either a single 5 gallon or a double 5 gallon, with side lights and an added top globe if desired.
Is this correct?

Shown in the black background photo panel, the before visible on the left, after kitted on the right.....3 different piston type Bowsers....but not limited to these Bowser piston models.

The the middle two photos show a Bowser 245 before and then converted to a single 5 gallon. Correct?
could have easily been a double 5 with globe.

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Re: New 2 Forum, Bowser 245 schooling required [Re: tokig] #700913
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This is one I restored few years ago.

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Re: New 2 Forum, Bowser 245 schooling required [Re: gaspumpfrank] #700915
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Thank you, looking good.
Is this a 245?

Re: New 2 Forum, Bowser 245 schooling required [Re: tokig] #700916
Wed Dec 20 2017 01:33 PM
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cover rolled about to lock up pump. But I don't have the correct Red Sentry Filtered Gasoline logo, probably missing other details as well.

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Re: New 2 Forum, Bowser 245 schooling required [Re: tokig] #700917
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yes 245

Re: New 2 Forum, Bowser 245 schooling required [Re: tokig] #700920
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The pump cannot be a 245.
1. Oil dispenser did not have hoses, oil was pumped into a oil can then dispensed into the car.
2. The hose is a gas hose, look at the size of it, and look at the nozzle, it is a gas nozzle, oil dispensers did not have nozzles.
3. Oil dispensers generally did not have globes.

I have an original Bowser color brochure dated 1916. It shows your identical pump, globe and everything. It has the same hose, same globe, etc. In the upper right corner it states: "Bowser Bulletin Cut 241.
A color picture of the 241 is also shown on page 92 of the Gas Pump Identification book that I wrote.
You might want to go to this page of my website and click on 241: http://petrolianacollectibles.com/bowser%20pumps.htm

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Re: New 2 Forum, Bowser 245 schooling required [Re: tokig] #700926
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Yes, I see it now Jack It doesn't Have the spicket to dispensed the oil. Thanks Frank

Re: New 2 Forum, Bowser 245 schooling required [Re: tokig] #700927
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Yes, I see it now Jack It doesn't Have the spicket to dispensed the oil. Thanks Frank Craig looks like a 241

Re: New 2 Forum, Bowser 245 schooling required [Re: tokig] #700951
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I am confused, I thought a cut 241 was a cast iron, clam shell, swinging door, piston pump Bowser with cut 241 cast into the front lower panel. I have seen many photos of this cast 241 model.

And the Bowser cut 245 was a roll door, sheet metal, piston pump later model.

Both configurable to pump oil or gas as required. both had a scrollable measure stop to allow 1 pint, 1 quart, 1/2 gallon, 1 gallon.

Am I understanding this correctly?
Thanks
Craig

Re: New 2 Forum, Bowser 245 schooling required [Re: tokig] #700953
Thu Dec 21 2017 06:12 AM
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here is what my understanding of a cut 241 looks like.
This shiny restored pump shows a swing nozzle and a tall discharge as well

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Re: New 2 Forum, Bowser 245 schooling required [Re: tokig] #700954
Thu Dec 21 2017 06:16 AM
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here is another version cut 241 with visible added.

It appears the center, brass pipe is only holding the visible addition.
There is a brass fill pipe and a valved drain port, but no overflow/flowback pipe.


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