#83787
Tue Mar 11 2008 03:58 PM
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This months collectible is the license plate topper. There are hundreds of license toppers and they can be categorized in several different groups. We will concentrate on those associated with the petroleum industry but recognize that there are collectors for other types also. Other general categories include: political; events (world fairs, Olympics, etc.); car brands; car dealers; individual gasoline stations; fraternal organizations; insurance companies; airplanes and flying; sport teams; colleges and high schools; soda and beer; trains; patriotic; humorous; safety messages; auto accessories (batteries, tires, etc.); places (cities, national parks); and professions. What is a license plate topper? License plate toppers (attachments, emblems, markers, badges, tags, pectins {more on this later}) were usually made of metal and attached to the top or the bottom of the license plate frame to advertise and/or display where the vehicle had been or give a hint of the owners interests. No definitive information is available on when the first toppers were distributed but radiator badges and toppers probably began in the early 1900's. The American Automobile Association (AAA) was organized in March, 1904. There first logo was two wheels with the AAA. Toppers in that form are seen. In 1912 the oval logo with AAA was adopted. I included this information because the development of one of the petroleum toppers is linked to the presence of the AAA topper. While my main collecting interest is the Socony toppers I am also interested in toppers that can be dated by published dates of distribution. A later post will include information specific to Shell, Tydol, and Goodrich tires. The license plate hobby in the past was often pursued by collectors on limited budgets who couldn't afford signs and pumps. Twenty years ago there were many toppers available for under $20.00. Like everything else that has changed. There are still good buys for under hundred, but rare NOS toppers often sell in the $200 to $400 range. This year one of the unusual Irving Oil toppers sold for $1,075.00. As with all collectibles, they are worth what you are willing to pay and prices are sometimes inflated by two novice bidders who are unaware of the average current selling price.
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#83788
Tue Mar 11 2008 04:06 PM
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My primary interest is in the Socony-Vacuum toppers. Although they are most often called Mobil toppers they actually represented the Pegasus, the logo adopted by the Socony (Standard Oil Company of New York)-Vacuum Company and its regional divisions. These included Vacuum Oil Company, Inc. Serving Pennsylvania, Ohio and Northern Illinois; Wadhams Oil Company serving Wisconsin and adjacent territory; White Eagle Oil Corporation serving the Middle West and the Northwest states; Magnolia Petroleum Company serving Texas, Oklahoma and adjoining states; Lubrite Refining Corporation serving Eastern Missouri, and parts of Illinois, Indiana and Iowa; White Star Refining Company serving Michigan and adjoining territory; and Standard Oil Company of New York, Inc. Serving New York State and New England. They all sold Mobiloil and Mobilgas but the company didn't use the Mobil name until 1955 when it became Socony Mobil Oil Company and in 1966 Mobil Oil Corporation In 1934 Socony-Vacuum had began the use of the Pegasus as their logo and were looking at ways to gain public awareness of the brand. They had started using the "Flying Red Horse" in advertising in 1933. They initially wanted to use radiator cap ornaments and a few prototypes were produced. They soon found that the many different styles of radiator caps and changes in car design made this impractical and too expensive. The next idea was for decals for windows but they learned that many states had already passed legislation prohibiting decals in windows of vehicles. It was suggested that they make license plate markers as the ones in use by AAA and Goodrich tire had been successful. While not mentioned in the 1935 article where I found this information, Shell had introduced their Shell topper in 1933. They made an initial run of 50,000 toppers in 1934 and they were so popular that they contracted with three suppliers and by the end of 1935 they had distributed 5,700,000 toppers. Other versions followed and by 1941 at least 15 different versions had been released. From my research I believe that the last of the original USA Pegasus toppers was released in 1941. Australia and New Zealand had versions in the 1950's. The first reproductions of the toppers began to show up in the late 1960's and this probably accounts for some collectors who are sure the toppers they have is authentic because it has been in their Dad's or Grandpa's workshop for 40 years. I wrote a booklet this past year specifically to describe the differences between the originals and reproductions and continue to locate new collectors especially in Australia who have new versions. I am posting pictures of my collection as mounted. If anyone needs a close up of a particular topper just ask.
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#83789
Tue Mar 11 2008 05:12 PM
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I think my red one is the same as 2nd pic. 2nd row #3, but mine has been bent like line drawing. 2nd one is a rusty Gold.
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#83790
Tue Mar 11 2008 05:36 PM
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There are several base styles of this third style of topper. They were produced by three different shops. The most commom is the base with three vertical ridges and one horizonital ridge above the oval mounting hole. Next most common is three vertical ridges and one horizonital ridge but with the center vertical ridge in two sections. There are two styles with only two vertical ridges, one having no horizonital ridge and one having a horizonital ridge. These are more rare. The last style has three vertical and one horizonital ridge and has ridges or corregations over the body as in your rusty gold one.
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#83791
Tue Mar 11 2008 06:00 PM
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Both of them have 3 Vert. & 1 Hor. lines. THANK YOU. db
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#83792
Wed Mar 12 2008 06:46 AM
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Here is a picture of the one plate topper I have. I got it from eBay, believe it to be foreign.
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#83793
Wed Mar 12 2008 08:36 AM
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Any help on the Sinclair. I don't know much about them. The first dated Petoleum topper that can I can verify is the Shell topper patented in 1933. Several Shell toppers were produced and in 1939 were advertised as a part of Shell's Safety Program. These pictures show the 1939 ad and two post cards mailed to Safety Club members. TCP additive was introduced in 1955 and dates the introduction of that topper. [This message has been edited by mobilford (edited 03-12-2008).]
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#83794
Wed Mar 12 2008 08:41 AM
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Wed Mar 12 2008 08:44 AM
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#83796
Wed Mar 12 2008 08:48 AM
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Why are license plate toppers (attachments, markers, and badges) called pectins? A pectin is a heteropolysaccharide derived from the cell wall of plants. Pectin is used as a gelling agent and stabilizer in food. So how did metal license plate attachments come to be referred to as pectins? It apparently is a proprietary eponym and a misspelling. Proprietary eponyms are words that were once proprietary brands that are used to identify a group or class of items. Two of the more common ones are Kleenex, which is used to identify facial tissues of any brand, and Xerox which is used to identify any copy. The Shell Oil Company derived their logo from the fact that the original London business dealt in antiques and oriental seashells. It used the word “Shell” as a trademark in 1891. In 1897, the owner, Marcus Samuel, formed the “Shell” Transport and Trading Company. The first logo in 1901 was a mussel shell, but in 1904 a scallop or “Pecten” emblem was adopted. Pecten is the genus name for this group of scallops and is used to describe shells of that shape. Shell Oil was one of the first to introduce license plate attachments in the shape of their logo, 1933 patent # 1,902,440, and referred to them as pectens (the common name for the seashell shape). The word was adopted by many to refer to any license plate attachment and is often misspelled as pectin.
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#83797
Wed Mar 12 2008 02:07 PM
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Here is one Pure Oil license plate topper that my dad and I don't have! This one belongs to a friend. If anyone has one they'd like to sell, please contact me!
Alan Collecting MN and Minneapolis gas and oil related items
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Wed Mar 12 2008 02:23 PM
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Here are the other Pure Oil toppers we do have. The first two look identical, but the ribbon area on the first picture is a bit rolled up on the ends, while the second is not. [This message has been edited by mapper (edited 03-12-2008).]
Alan Collecting MN and Minneapolis gas and oil related items
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#83799
Wed Mar 12 2008 02:37 PM
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Here is one of my freedom toppers.
FREEDOM oil items wanted.
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#83800
Thu Mar 13 2008 08:40 AM
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#83801
Thu Mar 13 2008 09:36 AM
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Here are my favorites. Not all gas.
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Thu Mar 13 2008 10:59 AM
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Here is a Magnolia topper I picked up recently...nice detail in the flower portion. Note the "Rainbow Highway" sign in the background...anyone ever seen another? Was an Oklahoma highway (maybe Route 66?) based on the shape of the earliest Oklahoma road signs...
There's no stopping the Cretins from hopping You've got to keep it beating for the hopping Cretins
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#83803
Thu Mar 13 2008 02:09 PM
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xxx it now you guys are gonna get me hooked on plate toppers
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#83804
Fri Mar 14 2008 09:51 AM
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Fri Mar 14 2008 11:43 AM
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Here is a picture of some of my toppers, only the ones that are petro related. I have a lot more,however they deal with tourist attractions and auto dealers.Norm.
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Fri Mar 14 2008 12:08 PM
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I am including this shot to show how I explain to people who stop by our house to look at petro items, exactly what a topper is. A lot of younger people do not know how or why a topper was used. So I went to the local junk yard and found a tail light off an old Chevie, and cleaned it up, screwed it to the garage wall and mounted a lic. plate and topper to it, complete with red jewels. Now I explain to them that in the 1920s, 30s, and 40s every one gave these away as advertisements, but by the late 40s automobiles no longer had bracket style tail lights, so people started switching to stickers of some kind.It makes it easy to understand.Norm.
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#83807
Fri Mar 14 2008 02:07 PM
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I do the same thing when I sell them at swap meets. I have a pegboard display with a license plate on top displaying a couple toppers. [This message has been edited by mobilford (edited 03-14-2008).]
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Sat Mar 15 2008 09:07 AM
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Just listed some of my duplicates in the for sale section. Swap meets start next week here so if you see something you need or you are looking for something drop me a line.
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Sun Mar 16 2008 07:52 AM
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Toppers are cool! Nice job Mobilford on the info and great examples from the group so far. Here are mine... ------------- I've also been told the Sinclairs were foreign. TYDOL Engineer guy question: Saw a part yellow/ part white on ebay some time back, did anybody see that? It did not scream "I've been repainted" but could have been. The guy was selling the other examples also. HAGD
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#83810
Sun Mar 16 2008 06:30 PM
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I think the other colors on the Tydol are repaints as they appear to be "one of a kind". I have not seen one up close however. Another dated topper is advertising the Goodrich silvertown tire and Goodrich Safety League. As I mentioned earlier the Goodrich topper was mentioned as one of the successful advertising ideas that caused Socony to consider license plate toppers. In 1931 Goodrich developed a list of pledges to make driving safer. If auto owners signed the pledge they became a member and were given the auto badge shown below to attach to their radiator screen. As radiators became covered, they modified it to become a license plate topper. Pictured are the 1931 and 1933 ads, a 1933 letter from Goodrich president J D Lewis, and instructions for mounting the topper.
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#83811
Sun Mar 16 2008 06:35 PM
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Two of the pictures ddn't work. Trying again...
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#83812
Sun Mar 16 2008 06:52 PM
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Sweet topic but I have none to share The Little King guy looks like the guy from a Little King sub shop we have in downtown Galesburg IL.
Wanted Owens Motor Oil & Mobiloil Gargoyle. Brad Ralston & my website is www.petrobarn.com
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#83813
Wed Mar 19 2008 10:29 AM
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Here is a new Socony topper from a fellow collector in Australia. It is in the collection of Tony Hutchinson. They made the long base topper in tin, brass, and plastic. [This message has been edited by mobilford (edited 03-19-2008).] [This message has been edited by mobilford (edited 03-19-2008).] [This message has been edited by mobilford (edited 03-19-2008).]
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#83814
Wed Mar 19 2008 10:47 AM
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Here are some ofthe Irving Oil toppers. I have sold several through the years and recently found the Sussex for a friend in Canada.
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#83815
Thu Mar 20 2008 08:59 AM
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Some more of the Irving Oil [This message has been edited by mobilford (edited 03-20-2008).]
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#83816
Fri Mar 21 2008 07:40 AM
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Here is another Sinclair topper with a reflector in it.
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#83817
Fri Mar 21 2008 04:26 PM
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Great post! Here is a license plate topper I found a few years ago.
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#83818
Fri Mar 21 2008 04:32 PM
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#83819
Fri Mar 21 2008 05:41 PM
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the only topper i ever owned & i bought 6 of these nos from a guy in Indianaplois years ago...i kept a couple By roadrelics ------------------ http://www.roadrelics.com
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#83820
Fri Mar 21 2008 06:04 PM
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now that's a nice topper
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#83821
Sun Mar 23 2008 11:36 AM
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Sun Mar 23 2008 11:46 AM
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While not license toppers these license plate frames were unique advertising for the Mobilgas Economy Runs and were given only to the participants. The 1955 and 1957 license plate frames were given to participant Arden Viersen, a long time Mobil employee who participated in these “Economy Runs”. The pictures were provided by his son, Phil Viersen of Ashburn, Virginia. The 1954 is from my collection.
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#83823
Mon Mar 24 2008 05:42 PM
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i forgot i had this Sinclair topper.......Its from Bertins Service Station, Westfield High......Its Copyright date is 1935 & made by Erickson, Des Moines.......I believe it may be from Wisconsin, but not sure.........Its 4.75" & concaved...there is a scrap on the H in High however i believe its nos.......I'm also putting this in the for sale section......... ------------------ http://www.roadrelics.com
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#83824
Tue Mar 25 2008 02:02 PM
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Wed Mar 26 2008 07:18 AM
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Thu Mar 27 2008 06:41 AM
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Fri Mar 28 2008 08:04 AM
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Sat Mar 29 2008 07:48 AM
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Sun Mar 30 2008 09:04 PM
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Here are some toppers in my collection. Had to get a new camera and will try and get some photos of others I have.
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Mon Mar 31 2008 01:54 PM
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Some of the full width toppers. Have some more for later.
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Mon Mar 31 2008 05:20 PM
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Here is my only one. I collect Speedway stuff and have been trying to find a better one for years with no luck.
WTB. Arizona quarts,Indian signs/cans, Musgo/Shell/Speedway 79,graphic signs/cans,#616-886-4917...
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#83832
Tue Apr 01 2008 07:08 AM
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Thu Apr 03 2008 01:24 PM
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Only one week left for this collectible of the month. Thanks for the pictures. Here are todays pics. [This message has been edited by mobilford (edited 04-03-2008).]
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Fri Apr 04 2008 05:55 AM
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Friday's pics--
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Here are a couple of the few that I have. I thought Paddy would love to see the Billups. Has anyone heard of the other company? At one time I had close to 100 toppers. Sold almost all of them on Ebay. Wish I had some of them back!! Guys, I know that there are a lot more out there in your collections and would like to see some of the rare ones. Thanks for all the pictures Dave. Pat.
Looking for early Pure Oil Company items(Energee,Detonox,Puritan)as well as any Woco Pep items.
Looking for graphic quart cans for my collection.
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Sun Apr 06 2008 06:50 AM
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Sunday's pics, four more days to get those topper pics on.
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Sun Apr 06 2008 07:11 AM
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Seen in Shattuck Ok. By rustyokie
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Here is a topper my brother recently got. It has both a Chevy and a JD add on it. Nice shape too.
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Mon Apr 07 2008 12:16 PM
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Monday's pics --- three days left
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Two more days----
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Thu Apr 10 2008 10:12 AM
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Final day for toppers. Thanks for all your pictures and emails.
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I am still looking for these for my collection. The first Socony topper, flat, easily bent and prone to lose the tail. One of the third styles releases with two vertical ridges and no horizonital ridge on the base. Australian toppers, solid brass and long base.
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Fri Apr 11 2008 10:28 AM
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A TOPPER ADVERTISING "SHELL"--"ALLIS CHALMERS"--"GMC"--"PONTIAC " rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> C" [This message has been edited by hawkike (edited 04-11-2008).] [This message has been edited by hawkike (edited 04-11-2008).] [This message has been edited by hawkike (edited 04-11-2008).]
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Fri Apr 11 2008 11:22 AM
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GREAT Job on this post guys!
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Tue Apr 15 2008 04:37 PM
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Joined: Jun 2004
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Sorry I'm so late with this topper, but been busy farming. This is an Oregon Chief topper that was found in a barn in central Oregon and given to me years ago. Richard
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