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I can see this is a ****** match but Tallrick is the EXACT reason to date stuff. Hey Tallrick. Nice attitude I could go on but why waste the time.
Joe

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Wow, lots of different opinions, I want to say the reason I dislike Repros are because I collect original antique advertising, to me repros have done nothing but hurt the market, As a Petroliana collector I want original items that were actually used at old gas stations. Compare it to a Cookie Jar collector who hates repro cookie jars, or to a Watch Fob collector who has amassed a huge collection of originals only to have them questioned as to the authenticity because of all the repros made. I don't mean to ruffle feathers but the ones who are all for repros speak in favor of them, So I feel I have the right to speak my thoughts on how much I dislike them.

KZ, that's why I like doing a few signs with decals. There is doubt that they are a repro, dated or not. Decal signs can never be passed off as an original. Yea yea, I know Ebay, but in your hands there is no doubt about it. People have taken dated repops scratched off the date threw is out side for a week or two in the rain and put it on Ebay. You just can't do that with one of these.

tallrick, your entitled to your opinion, even if it's just plain wrong.


Glad you like the signs Scott.


Gotta go, my beer is getting warm.

BL

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There are reasons for repos and against. Most collectors can't afford most of the more expensive globes and signs. Also there just isn't a "ton" of early items left. KZ1000 makes a good point for collecting only original items. But to compare pumps, signs and even cans to cookie jars? Might as well compare the Wright Bros first plane to the SR-71, they both flew but nothing else is comparible. During WWII, cookie jars weren't part of the war effort. During the 50's and 60's, cookie jars weren't scrapped overseas, metal was. Even now old metal, pumps and signs are being scrapped in cities and towns all over America. Original items are getting scarce and prices are reflecting this. Unmarked reproductions are a scourge on ebay, even older reproductions that have decals and such on the back are now being distressed and sold as original. In some cases the glue from the decals isn't even taken off completely. I do want every reproduction to be marked as such. My last thought on this subject; without reproduction parts how many vintage cars would still be on the road? To me there is always a reason for reproduction items, but that is just my opinion. Car parts are numbered and stamped, too bad our hobby doesn't have something of the sort.

I just think it is ridiculous to spend so much money on a mass-produced item that was never meant to be valuable. Someone selling a rusty old sign for thousands of dollars is insane in my opinion. Also a real collector would be able to spot a reproduction if it was really that important. Getting a new item of the same quality as the old one means that more collectors can share in the experience versus a few we--connected or lucky few. I hate the attitude of those who brag about their collections while others are left out. So maybe a flood of cheap high-quality collectibles would even the playing field. Hard core collectors could always x-ray or radiocarbon date their items. With the kind of money some spend, that would be well within their price range.

"I just think it is ridiculous to spend so much money on a mass-produced item that was never meant to be valuable. Someone selling a rusty old sign for thousands of dollars is insane in my opinion."

Unless your the one selling

Shouldn't there be some kind of an exam taken to post on this site ?

Even originals have variety in quality and materials used. A friend has several Gulf oil signs that came from a garage that was around till the 50's, he got many of them firsthand. They vary so much that I think the corporation simply hired the cheapest bidder when more signs were needed. You can see that in shell signs as well, they are mass-produced items. Buying on ebay is also nuts, as everything seems to sell for more than it should and you cannot see before buying. I am beginning to think that some "collectors" are actually investors, in this to make money or limit the hobby, and that is sad. Being mean and selfish does nothing to attract new enthusiasts. I support the people who put the hard work into creating reproductions we all can afford.

"Shouldn't there be some kind of an exam taken to post on this site ?"

LOL

I think there is a place for reproductions. I don't have an issue at all with reproductions as long as they are marked clearly for someone to see. I think Brian's decals on aluminum are fine... maybe stamping the aluminum with some die stamps like a date or maker before powder will be 1 step better?

Lets look at the coke guys... so many reproduction items came aboard it was hard for experienced collectors to keep track. Do you think new collectors will want to come aboard if they get burned a few times? No new collector’s means prices of our original gas pieces stay the same price or go down in value.
People can make reproductions as the hobby needs them but lets mark them so people coming in the hobby new will know without having to ask questions is this real or reproduction. Unfortunately we all ready have some of those!

Let’s face it… making a reproduction where you can’t tell the difference is trying to fraud someone and take advantage of someone without experience. It you want a sign or globe or can that looks exactly like the original than buy the original… other wise you pay $15 or $30 or $100 for a reason!


By the way Scott the globe looks great! I love looking at restored pumps!

Tallrick you talk in circles one minute you say you don't care what happens when your gone and then you mention it's ashame to be mean and selfish as it doesn't attract new enthusiasts.Yet you don't care if someone gets burned in the future on a unmarked repo.

Blange If you don't think they ever made orginal diecut signs with stickers on them your wrong.I have two Pate signs from the 50s with diecut steel backs with a reflective sticker applied to the front.So your thinking that your "stickers" cannot be mistaken for some orginals is incorrect.
Joe


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This is a shame. I was going to leave this one alone but experience, or lack of it, has burned me in the past. I've talked to many a collector who has made a mistake in the learning process and learned from it. Real is real and fake is fake. It's when the 2 become faded into one another that the problems begin. I've always thought that if there is nothing to hide, then the maker of something not original should have no issue in some kind of marking system. If for nothing else, pride in one's own work. I work with wood in my spare time and always mark something I've made for future generations to see. Who knows, maybe something I've made will be worth something in a 1000 years. There have been times in collecting forms that reproductions have become in themselves sought after collectables. Markings only insure that down the road new generations don't have to repeat our hard learned mistakes and your work can be identified and appreciated in it's own right. I've seen many a fantasy or reprodustion lense made and sold through this site made in limited runs that I wouldn't be surprised to collectors paying real money for down the road just for the workmanship and numbers. I'm sure I'll regret this post later, but this tends to be a sore spot with me in a hobby that I enjoy and wish to see stay healthy from responsible actions........only my humblest of opinions........Dave

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Q:Are all you pump restorers buying only decals that are dated?
[]A:Not one of you is.

Why is is a BIG deal to take a PUMP decal and hang it as a sign? Now that I hang it as a SIGN it needs to have repo on it?

What a bunch of old hens you all are. Take my post and hijack it making it seem like making a decal is something dishonest.

METAL + DECAL + PUMP = GOOD
METAL + DECAL = BAD????

PLEASE EXPLAIN?

Nobody is making a painted sign without a date or a porcelain sign without a date here. If they had I would agree with putting a date or repo on it. But simply taking a pump or globe decal and put it on a piece of metal? Now because I hang it as a sign I should date it? Or put globe logos or tway graphics copyright on it???

Nope, sorry you all don't agree.



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Scott Wright-
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Scott, that's my point.


Joe, you missed the boat by a long ways. Did I ever say they did't make them? EVER!!! Did I???????

Every one can cry and moan all they want, if you can't tell the diffence between one of my signs and an original, well I don't know what to tell you.

Scott asked me to make him a couple signs and I did, I made a couple others also, but if you think I will ever show them on here your crazy.

You people act like because you think it, it should be the law. This is why it's better to stay a lurker and not post. You can't post sh*t on here without the pump, sign and globe Nazi's throwing their weight around. Over 10,000 members 25 regular posters, wonder why?


BL

I don't think aluminum signs with decals are an issue that people are complaining about... issue is making reproductions not dated that is hard to tell the differance between the two.

My guess is out of the 10,000... 9,000 are spammers and the other 975 don't post anymore because of all the bitching that goes on. I am taking my soap box to the river Sunday for maybe the last boating day.