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#85999 Sun Sep 28 2008 07:36 AM
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As many of you know I like the powerine company. For some items they hand made them and there are no know survivors or only only that you will never be able to buy so whats a guy to do? REPO! They still look nice!

I am working on the pump for this globe now if anyone has a 10x18 cylinder...

This jeweled body setup that Dwaine Buck makes is AWESOME

Thanks Brian Lange for this sign!!!

These next two are may be fantasy in that I have never seen black and white photos of them in station however I am pretty sure they made this sign. The next one is pure fantasy but COOL.

Thanks to Dwaine Buck, Al Koz, Brian Lange, Tway and the Dillo!

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Everything looks great!


Your very welcome.


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Are the signs dated on the back?


Wanted early tin litho signage.
petro, farm, auto, etc.
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The globe is marked,where are the signs & jeweled body marked FANTASY or NEW ?
What happens in a few years ?

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The sign I did for Scott is a decal on powdercoated metal, if you can't tell that from a real one, you need to get out of the hobby. So no it's not marked.

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And the jeweled body is nothing to inspect to closely. I am sure others are better at epoxy gluing the jems in but I am a little challenged. It looks good but there are a couple of drips

I have to say, these decaled signs are the WAY to go. They really look awesome. If you guys can't afford the real ones, these decal signs are hard to tell from an original from 2 feet or more. Get up real close or stick your hand on one and you can tell real quick.



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remember the Jenney sign a few days ago, just another reason unmarked repros are useless

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THESE ARE DECALS!

If you cannot tell a decal from a porcelain sign you need to get your eyes checked.

Quit being grumpy and admire how nice they look and move on.


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Scott,
In your 1st posting it said SIGNS, only after prodding was it revealed they are decals on powder coated metal.
Have you had your eyes checked since this posting ? http://www.oldgas.com/shoptalk/ubb/Forum1/HTML/008234.html
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Scott, who did the Bearcat with Ethyl sign for you I would kinda like to get one. All the other stuff looks great to!!!!!!!!


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I agree Esse's, I might have to break down and buy one also for my restored Wayne 40A.

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Scott I think they look great. Nice job there Brian. They would look killer on a 40 too.


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They are great. I realy like the Bearcats.Here are mine:

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sorry, im with dick here... 100 plus %

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When was the last time you got to see one that close up or was able to reach out and touch it .. enough to tell those things, in any pictures or anywhere on the internet including ebay?

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haggis you again...

Last post, I thought you all would just enjoy the pics but since you ask...

If anyone comes up with an original of any of these items they would be worth a huge pile oh cash. Put simply there is only one item is this whole post that is known to exist and its priced well over 10k.

So if you all are ready to play fast a loose, buy something that there is only ONE known example and spend over 10k then you are less risk adverse then I am.

If I am going to spend 10k for a sign or globe I would want to know pretty quick where it came from, who else had owned it etc.

So I don't think a sign that there are NO KNOWN versions of needs to be dated. If you buy one its fake plain and simple. THERE ARE NO REAL VERSIONS OTHER THEN HANDPAINTED SIGNS IN PHOTOS.


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Hey Scott good to hear from even if the rest aren't. Peace out. Ted

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Scott, These signs you got are Very Cool!!! I am starting to really like this Power~Lube and Bear Cat stuff. I am kinda Kicking myself for selling My Power~Lube sign. Oh well I will find another one some day. I thought this was supoose to be about having Fun guys why are you all giving him so much **** ??? I am glad he shared this with us, some of this Reproduction Stuff is Cool, and Even if I had $10,000 to spend on original globe I would never do it. I would Rather put reproduction Globes on my pumps just in case I ever bumped them and broke them I would feel much Better Knowing it is a $85 reproduction then a $$$$$ Expensive original. Nice Stuff Scott, Thanks for sharing it with us Oldgassers that Appreciate a Nicely Done Reproduction of a Very Expensive Original. I think I am going to Order me one of those Bearcat With Ethyl Signs. Who makes the Bearcat with Etyhl Globes?


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It's to bad some of you have to interject your paranoia of repops and restored signs into every other post, it's kinda like watching "Ground Hog Day" with Bill Murray.


Slama made the Ethyl version for Buck and Scott, kinda hard to come by, they were sold out.


Have fun with the hobby.

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Those are some cool pieces!!I really dig the globes.It would be nice if the signs were dated just to take the risk out of it for anyone in the future.In ten or twenty years or so,it maybe hard to tell or if they got into the wrong hands.I'm not picking sides and don't have a problem with repop stuff,I have some myself.Not everyone is as sharp as some people on repop items so it could happen,but one should do your home work when buying high end or rare signs.Scott don't take this as personal.Like I said not trying to bash or single anyone out at all,I would like to see all the stuff dated,not just yours.
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Great stuff... But to keep it safe (and keep others from riding you) it would be wise to date it or code it... I repro Coca-Cola signs and I date them AND code them. I
also make them out of heavy gauge aluminum
and emboss them... So even though they're
the same size and design... I took
the extra step to be sure that there are markings for those who may mistake them for NOS.
As the originals are bought up or ones money
is more focused on other interests and/or to put food on the table for the family...
nice, quality reproductions are a nice filler. I make them, I like them.
What program do you use to build these?
Photoshop, Illustrator
Great Stuff!
And adding this is if you're gonna mass produce these or make a few to resell...


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One of my favorite images is the Gardner 70 that Steve "Z" discovered in the Tri-Cities.
I've got the 15" lenses from Buck and Slama and the 12" and 24" signs that Dwaine did.
I really like the decals on the powder coated metal they look great and I'm glad that Dwaine took the time and trouble to make them up.
They are a little spendy for me, but I'll probably end up with one of the neons too.
I appreciate what these guys do to help the hobby.
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I too appreciate folks that make repos, as long as they clearly identify them as repos.

I respectfully disagree with Powerlube's opinion about "no known" originals. I think a good case in point is the oval Gargoyle Rochester NY signs. I have heard people on this site say that there are no known originals, and that all Rochester ovals are fakes (or, to be more accurate, fantasy items). Other folks believe that there are some originals, but somebody made a ton of fakes. It even looks like there are fakes of the original fakes, as some are very poorly done. I am inclined to believe there are originals out there somewhere (that is just an opinion). I just think that if somebody is going to pass these off as originals, he would have an original to fake. However, we may never know because none of the fakes have dates on them. Now that these fakes or fantasy plates have been out for many years, they have patina and are almost always sold as originals. Now, if there really are a few originals of this plate, the owners of those plates are being robbed of a really rare and once-valuable plate, simply because there are no dates on the fakes.

Now, I used the word "fakes" alot. This is just an opinion. It is quite possible that the guy who originally made these "fakes" was not trying to deceive anybody. He may have just been making a repo or a fantasy piece. If it really is a fantasy piece, it may have been entirely obvious to him that there are no original Rochester ovals, so everybody should know it is a fantasy. That isn't the case now. We don't know for sure if there really were original Rochester ovals. Regardless, they are being sold as originals and people are being deceived.

50 years from now people may not know that decals over metal = repo. That distinction may be lost. It will not be so obvious in the distant future that these are not originals.

I guess the simplest way to say it is that if you aren't trying to fool anyone, there is no good reason not to date them. You don't have to date them on the front where everyone can see--you can date them on the back where they aren't visible when displayed.

Just my opinion. -Tom

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They are decals!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are all decals marked???????????NO!!!

These just happen to be on powdercoated metal.
What am I going to do get another decal for the back with the date on it??????

When I have lenses made I date them, but I'm not going to have the decals marked, there is no reason too. It just makes the decal look like **** .

Get over it.


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Great points on both sides.

I think most of us that post on internet forums and go to gas and oil shows can usually spot a repo.

My thoughts go to some of the auctions that I go to that have petro stuff sprinkled in. I have watched good people throw hundreds of dollars at items you can get for $15.00 elsewhere. They were obviously fake, fantasy, or repop, but the bidders were not knowledgable.

And...there is coming a generation of collectors behind us that may or may not be as savy as most on here. All things being equal, everything we now collect, unless they are passed on to our kids, is going to be sold someday.

Whether it be a sign, decal on a sign, globe, whatever....there certainly can be no harm in dating anything on the back, out of sight, marking it as a fantasy piece. It certainly could help protect the hobby many many years down te road.

Either way, just have fun with it.

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I could care less about the overpriced original stuff. A good reproduction is all I ask for. In fact, I am going to make my own enamel signs for my personal collection including original designs and could care less what happens to them after I am gone. If some collector thinks they are real 20'th century items, so be it.


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Real nice tallrick... that is the attitude to have. Just hoping people get ripped off? Thanks for showing everyone on oldgas who you really are.


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in a nutshell!


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This is like a nasty car wreck. I tell myself to stop looking but I just cant help myself.

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"and could care less what happens to them after I am gone. If some collector thinks they are real 20'th century items, so be it."

NICE!!

Train Wreck is right!

But if you and I have no conscience or what is right or wrong I guess that explains the state of the economy of this very real world!

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I can see this is a ****** match but Tallrick is the EXACT reason to date stuff. Hey Tallrick. Nice attitude I could go on but why waste the time.
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Wow, lots of different opinions, I want to say the reason I dislike Repros are because I collect original antique advertising, to me repros have done nothing but hurt the market, As a Petroliana collector I want original items that were actually used at old gas stations. Compare it to a Cookie Jar collector who hates repro cookie jars, or to a Watch Fob collector who has amassed a huge collection of originals only to have them questioned as to the authenticity because of all the repros made. I don't mean to ruffle feathers but the ones who are all for repros speak in favor of them, So I feel I have the right to speak my thoughts on how much I dislike them.


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KZ, that's why I like doing a few signs with decals. There is doubt that they are a repro, dated or not. Decal signs can never be passed off as an original. Yea yea, I know Ebay, but in your hands there is no doubt about it. People have taken dated repops scratched off the date threw is out side for a week or two in the rain and put it on Ebay. You just can't do that with one of these.

tallrick, your entitled to your opinion, even if it's just plain wrong.


Glad you like the signs Scott.


Gotta go, my beer is getting warm.

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There are reasons for repos and against. Most collectors can't afford most of the more expensive globes and signs. Also there just isn't a "ton" of early items left. KZ1000 makes a good point for collecting only original items. But to compare pumps, signs and even cans to cookie jars? Might as well compare the Wright Bros first plane to the SR-71, they both flew but nothing else is comparible. During WWII, cookie jars weren't part of the war effort. During the 50's and 60's, cookie jars weren't scrapped overseas, metal was. Even now old metal, pumps and signs are being scrapped in cities and towns all over America. Original items are getting scarce and prices are reflecting this. Unmarked reproductions are a scourge on ebay, even older reproductions that have decals and such on the back are now being distressed and sold as original. In some cases the glue from the decals isn't even taken off completely. I do want every reproduction to be marked as such. My last thought on this subject; without reproduction parts how many vintage cars would still be on the road? To me there is always a reason for reproduction items, but that is just my opinion. Car parts are numbered and stamped, too bad our hobby doesn't have something of the sort.


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I just think it is ridiculous to spend so much money on a mass-produced item that was never meant to be valuable. Someone selling a rusty old sign for thousands of dollars is insane in my opinion. Also a real collector would be able to spot a reproduction if it was really that important. Getting a new item of the same quality as the old one means that more collectors can share in the experience versus a few we--connected or lucky few. I hate the attitude of those who brag about their collections while others are left out. So maybe a flood of cheap high-quality collectibles would even the playing field. Hard core collectors could always x-ray or radiocarbon date their items. With the kind of money some spend, that would be well within their price range.


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"I just think it is ridiculous to spend so much money on a mass-produced item that was never meant to be valuable. Someone selling a rusty old sign for thousands of dollars is insane in my opinion."

Unless your the one selling

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Even originals have variety in quality and materials used. A friend has several Gulf oil signs that came from a garage that was around till the 50's, he got many of them firsthand. They vary so much that I think the corporation simply hired the cheapest bidder when more signs were needed. You can see that in shell signs as well, they are mass-produced items. Buying on ebay is also nuts, as everything seems to sell for more than it should and you cannot see before buying. I am beginning to think that some "collectors" are actually investors, in this to make money or limit the hobby, and that is sad. Being mean and selfish does nothing to attract new enthusiasts. I support the people who put the hard work into creating reproductions we all can afford.


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"Shouldn't there be some kind of an exam taken to post on this site ?"

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I think there is a place for reproductions. I don't have an issue at all with reproductions as long as they are marked clearly for someone to see. I think Brian's decals on aluminum are fine... maybe stamping the aluminum with some die stamps like a date or maker before powder will be 1 step better?

Lets look at the coke guys... so many reproduction items came aboard it was hard for experienced collectors to keep track. Do you think new collectors will want to come aboard if they get burned a few times? No new collector’s means prices of our original gas pieces stay the same price or go down in value.
People can make reproductions as the hobby needs them but lets mark them so people coming in the hobby new will know without having to ask questions is this real or reproduction. Unfortunately we all ready have some of those!

Let’s face it… making a reproduction where you can’t tell the difference is trying to fraud someone and take advantage of someone without experience. It you want a sign or globe or can that looks exactly like the original than buy the original… other wise you pay $15 or $30 or $100 for a reason!


By the way Scott the globe looks great! I love looking at restored pumps!


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Tallrick you talk in circles one minute you say you don't care what happens when your gone and then you mention it's ashame to be mean and selfish as it doesn't attract new enthusiasts.Yet you don't care if someone gets burned in the future on a unmarked repo.

Blange If you don't think they ever made orginal diecut signs with stickers on them your wrong.I have two Pate signs from the 50s with diecut steel backs with a reflective sticker applied to the front.So your thinking that your "stickers" cannot be mistaken for some orginals is incorrect.
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This is a shame. I was going to leave this one alone but experience, or lack of it, has burned me in the past. I've talked to many a collector who has made a mistake in the learning process and learned from it. Real is real and fake is fake. It's when the 2 become faded into one another that the problems begin. I've always thought that if there is nothing to hide, then the maker of something not original should have no issue in some kind of marking system. If for nothing else, pride in one's own work. I work with wood in my spare time and always mark something I've made for future generations to see. Who knows, maybe something I've made will be worth something in a 1000 years. There have been times in collecting forms that reproductions have become in themselves sought after collectables. Markings only insure that down the road new generations don't have to repeat our hard learned mistakes and your work can be identified and appreciated in it's own right. I've seen many a fantasy or reprodustion lense made and sold through this site made in limited runs that I wouldn't be surprised to collectors paying real money for down the road just for the workmanship and numbers. I'm sure I'll regret this post later, but this tends to be a sore spot with me in a hobby that I enjoy and wish to see stay healthy from responsible actions........only my humblest of opinions........Dave

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Q:Are all you pump restorers buying only decals that are dated?
[]A:Not one of you is.

Why is is a BIG deal to take a PUMP decal and hang it as a sign? Now that I hang it as a SIGN it needs to have repo on it?

What a bunch of old hens you all are. Take my post and hijack it making it seem like making a decal is something dishonest.

METAL + DECAL + PUMP = GOOD
METAL + DECAL = BAD????

PLEASE EXPLAIN?

Nobody is making a painted sign without a date or a porcelain sign without a date here. If they had I would agree with putting a date or repo on it. But simply taking a pump or globe decal and put it on a piece of metal? Now because I hang it as a sign I should date it? Or put globe logos or tway graphics copyright on it???

Nope, sorry you all don't agree.



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Scott, that's my point.


Joe, you missed the boat by a long ways. Did I ever say they did't make them? EVER!!! Did I???????

Every one can cry and moan all they want, if you can't tell the diffence between one of my signs and an original, well I don't know what to tell you.

Scott asked me to make him a couple signs and I did, I made a couple others also, but if you think I will ever show them on here your crazy.

You people act like because you think it, it should be the law. This is why it's better to stay a lurker and not post. You can't post sh*t on here without the pump, sign and globe Nazi's throwing their weight around. Over 10,000 members 25 regular posters, wonder why?


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I don't think aluminum signs with decals are an issue that people are complaining about... issue is making reproductions not dated that is hard to tell the differance between the two.

My guess is out of the 10,000... 9,000 are spammers and the other 975 don't post anymore because of all the bitching that goes on. I am taking my soap box to the river Sunday for maybe the last boating day.


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You are right about all the sniveling here. Oh you may sell that item then heaven forbid that you would list it in showcase section. seems to be a lot of people here that look to jump on anything that a person says. Thank goodness that there are other channels/

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Nothing else to do until election day.

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I understand the repo/date thing very well. I think 99.99 percent of us do. That issue has NOTHING to do with DECALS being used as signs.

Has anyone ever held a decal sign and bought it as an original???

I didn't think so. Move on you schmucks.


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I was not going to respond to this because it has gotten way out of hand, but didnt this start out as a showcase and nothing more. What I mean by that is four pages of arguing I thank is enough. Just my two cents not that it means much.


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While I am not going to get in the middle of this repo vs. original thing, I do have a story to relay.

Gulf pulled out of this area in the early 1980's and the local jobber has many items displayed in his office. On the wooden bottom stand of a glass display case are pump plates. One I always wanted was the Gulf No-Nox Ethyl. I even offered him a ridiculous amount for it once with no luck in obtaining it.

One day, after being turned down again, I asked to hold it. With his permission, I got down on my knees and removed it. To my disbelief, it was a metal blank with a decal! This was never intended to fool anyone. He then showed me an old time weathered box full of original No-Nox decals. These were made and used on the pumps but for some reason. they were also put on this metal blank. I assumed, they did this to save from buying the porcelain signs where a sign was needed.

This "repo" sign was made up by the jobber's father or Grandfather and was never intended to be sold. It was made way before collecting this junk was popular. They also took a one piece Gulf globe and repainted it with the 1963 logo to keep from buying a nother globe. Don't ask me why.

The point of this story is....Heck, I don't know!!! LOL

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Well I had said I was through posting here, but one last one. Brian, John,Scott let's get back to the friendly petro site where they are laughing about this argument.leave this site to the doom and gloom guys like Neil Gerrard and Tallrick

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Blange how did I miss the boat by a long way??In your earlier post you stated that "Decal signs can never be passed off as orginals" I simply made mention that thats not true as I own two original decal signs.So I'm not sure what I missed?

Powerlube yes I've held a decal sign in my hand and bought as original.Does that make me a schmuck? So I think most of us agree on the dated stuff but how are the signs different.I realize that you think signs were never made that way but there were a few.I'm not saying not to use them in yours or anyone else's restos,they look great and give more depth than just slapping a plain sticker on a pump.Nothing bad could come out of dating anything.This seems to be getting beaten to death and that certainly not my intent.The signs and globe looks great,and I realize that even dated some not so honest people will distress them and try to pass them of to someone not so sharp.
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Petroholic- Show me the sign you bought with a decal. If you bought it as a SIGN ie porcelain or paint and you had your hands on it before you bought it then I am SORRY but that is one lesson you need to take your hard knocks for. Schmuck I don't know but I hope it tought you something, decal signs are just that DECALS. Some old decals have value. I have some old bearcat globe lense decals that are pretty pricey but even mounted they would not be worth a fraction of a real sign (paint or porcelain)

Gary- your decals on metal is a perfect example. As soon as you held it you knew it was a decal. An old decal sure but a decal none the less.

Its not nice/friendly or even cool to single these signs made from decals out as bad. They are what they are, decals. From 5 feet they look great put your hands on it and you know.

Can we get back to admiring stuff that is posted or do we need to bash someone else now?

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You're correct Scott. I am 6 foot 2 and had admired that sign from this distance for years. Offered very good money for it, then I held it. Needless to say, I no longer stop by that office to admire THAT sign. Kind of a load off my chest too as I was always trying to get it.

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"Blange how did I miss the boat by a long way??In your earlier post you stated that "Decal signs can never be passed off as orginals" I simply made mention that thats not true as I own two original decal signs.So I'm not sure what I missed?"


"Blange If you don't think they ever made orginal diecut signs with stickers on them your wrong"

Where in the hell did I ever say "I don't think they ever made them"????????? Just another example of someone reading a post and adding to what's not really there. Do you understand now or should I get the Crayola's out so "you" can understand????


Souperhigh you are right as ever my friend, just another post I wish I would of never opened on Oldgas.


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B. He probably got it when you said... (even though I'm sure you didn't mean it the way it was taken)

"Decal signs can never be passed off as an original."

I think some of you guys have taken this whole topic way too personally. Resorting to name calling and bashing the site really is no way effectively communicate your position.

The whole purpose of internet forums like this is to have discussions about topics such as this, so it's not really a bad thing. Just sorry Scott's thread got hijacked.

As previously posted, I see points on both sides and let's just have fun at the hobby.

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Blange I can see you can't have a disscussion without getting defensive so I geuss I'm done
Powerlube if you need a photo I'll post one,and I didn't think anyone is or are trying to make these signs out as bad.?

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Everyone missed the point, they are decals!!!!!!!! Does GPH, Scobbie, Seth or any of the other vendors make sure "all" of the decals they sell are dated? Well do they?????? We should all be up in arms because they sell decals that are not dated.

Yes I know they made decal signs,

Ohio don't think for others, it just pi**es them off.

Done with this, over, have fun.

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Blange maybe read the post again and settle down.That statement wasn't directed at you!!Maybe you should get out the crayons and go go play by yourself.I love how defensive this got what a joke.

If it wasn't directed at me then why use my name?

LOL

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I am amazed I am being portrayed as an evil person. My goal was to have fun with this hobby and I do, freely sharing things with others. It just seemed silly to me how angry some get when you reproduce a classic sign. I have no desire for originals as they are chipped, rusted or otherwise damaged in most cases. A brand new high quality reproduction has value to me. Given a choice between patronizing one of the fine reproducers and buying original, I would go for repro as long as the quality is the same. Yes I make some signs myself, but does that make me a bad person? I have been looking for some Ocopep signs and globes for years now, and gave up. It will be a lot more fun and easier to silk screen my own globes and bake my own enamel signs for my personal use. The point I made is that I am not concerned if some purist collector is mad at me because after I am gone someone may try and pass it off as original. Unless you use scientific testing methods, or PERSONALLY know the history of an item there is no guarantee of where it came from. As for decals, I have personally seen Pure oil decals on my old pump under Union 76 and a Diesel sticker. Those of you who reproduce signs, parts or whatever have my respect and I will buy from you instead of chasing after originals that some are so enamored with.


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"leave this site to the doom and gloom guys like Neil Gerrard and Tallrick"
What the hell did I do??? I've posted twice some comments that were not well received and many more that were questions that I needed answered. Leave me out of your arguements souperhigh.

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THIS IS BETTER THAN CABLE.

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This has gone way too far.

Scott posted a Showcase topic about some items he had. Sorry your topic was turned into another discussion of unmarked reproductions. There is no doubt that many people have strong opinions about unmarked repros.

I don't understand why a few blame Oldgas.com because others disagree with them. Not everyone is going to agree on these issues. When it is taken personally and sarcastic replies are posted, things go downhill.

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