#90898
Mon Dec 20 2004 05:53 PM
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Another classic worth talking about and worshipping is the National A38 and it's short cousins. The A38 is one of the few electrics that can be glimpsed at and immediately you know what it is. To me, that's what separates the men from the boys regarding collectible pumps. It's kinda like the Wayne 60 and Bennett 541, it's an icon of electrics! According to the highly praised and enjoyed book from Jack Sim, the National A38 evolved from it's fathers, the A-1 and BM-1. Also according to the same, there are two versions, the A-38 and the A-38-H which has a long reach hose. The shorter versions that came out when "short was in" was the models 62, 64, 66 and 69. During the "short version" years Tokheim had purchased National and was cloning the National to Tokheim's short technology. I am not fortunate enough to own a short National but I have seen a few, the doors, skins and bases appear to be that of the Tokheim 39's and/or 300's. Shortly thereafter the National name was swallowed and digested by Tokheim, thus eliminating it from our arena. I think that all petro collectors will agree that although National had a limited number of electric pumps, National had style and class, making a good impact on the pumps we collectors crave today!. Speaking of class, one month we will do a feature on the National clockfaces which are monumental. Thanks for looking and participating! Please feel free to send any pictures or scanned items to me, I will be glad to post them! Merry Christmas to all!
Neal
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Please - NO offers to Buy or Sell in this forum category
Statements such as, "I'm thinking about selling this." are considered an offer to sell.
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#90899
Mon Dec 20 2004 06:13 PM
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I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE I GOT THIS FIRST NATIONAL IMAGE FROM. COULD BE OLDGAS OR SOMEWHERE ON THE NET. VERY FITTING FOR THIS TIME OF YEAR, EH? AND THIS NATIONAL 60...something THAT SITS IN FRONT OF MY FRIEND JEFF'S SERVICE STATION. DOC @ TAG/WEST [This message has been edited by THE AMERICAN GARAGE (edited 12-20-2004).]
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#90900
Mon Dec 20 2004 06:22 PM
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HERE'S THE ONE THAT GOT AWAY. THIS ONE WAS SITTING IN THE WOODS NEAR A BROKEN DOWN BARN ALL OVERGROWN AND ONE WINTER WHEN I WASN'T LOOKING EVERYTHING WAS CLEARED OUT FOR A PARKING LOT! GREAT PUMP CHOICE FOR POTM, NEAL! HOPE TO OWN ONE SOMEDAY! DOC @ TAG/WEST
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#90901
Mon Dec 20 2004 06:30 PM
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Here is my National 64. You guys have seen this one before.
Drive with Care and Buy Sinclair!! I buy Sinclair globes, signs, cans, ect.
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#90902
Mon Dec 20 2004 06:30 PM
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THIS IS THE NATIONAL I WAS HOPING TO GET SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, BUT DIDN'T HEAR BACK....NO GREAT LOSS AS IT'S QUITE THE BASKET CASE..... AND THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN 10 YEARS AGO AT LEAST! DOC @ TAG/WEST [This message has been edited by THE AMERICAN GARAGE (edited 12-20-2004).]
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#90903
Mon Dec 20 2004 06:45 PM
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A COUPLE MORE FROM MY INTERNET SEARCH FILES.... DOC @ TAG/WEST
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#90904
Mon Dec 20 2004 06:49 PM
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Here is an A-38 from my brothers collection. Scott Shipers WANTED Phillips 44 Kansas City, Missouri [This message has been edited by quartcans (edited 12-20-2004).]
Scott Shipers WANTED: quart picture cans
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#90905
Mon Dec 20 2004 10:00 PM
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From my collection. Signal A-38. Ted ------------------ Ted Roach Stuck in Lodi CA. pca-west.org
Ted Pam Ethyl & Polly Roach Lodi CA. 209-210-8971 Looking for Signal, Hancock, Mohawk, Douglas, Gilmore and Richfield
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#90906
Tue Dec 21 2004 12:10 AM
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took this picture this morning. "looks a little familar dosent she DOC!" LOL! i remember buying it & where i bought it & how much i paid. but i have no idea when i bought it!!? 1990??? i unloaded it right where it sits its never been moved. i did pull the BLACK FACES OFF. dated 1948 on the tag. I SEE MY GLOBES CROOKED AGAIN! HAHA. i cant get a decent picture of this A-38 right now. THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE "MINT" PUMP with (original?) paint yet. i had my 2 boys pull the VR & put a stereo in it when they were still teens. again i dont know what year i bought it. CDs are in racks inside the doors. (its been pinstriped a million different colors & all over it. usually when im painting something & i have stop to answer the phone i stand there without realizing it & lean on it & stripe away with whatever color is in the brush at the time) it 'usually' gets wiped off. i see some on the side now again. bullet hole stickers were a big deal years ago & my youngest covered the pump with them when he was young. i left them on, its my garage toons! -hit the remote & Ted Nugent blasts away! [This message has been edited by tom 2 tone (edited 12-21-2004).]
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#90907
Tue Dec 21 2004 07:02 AM
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Here is a National A-38 I restored for a friend of mine this past summer. I delivered it back to him in Septembet. ------------------ ROD [Mich.] [This message has been edited by r49th (edited 12-21-2004).]
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#90908
Tue Dec 21 2004 07:52 AM
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This Flying A beauty was found stored in a bathroom at what was once Hancock Air Field in Santa Maria, California. Bill Mohr took the time to strip all of layers of paint off of the original porcelain and ad glass and shine up the stainless and this is what he found. Man would I love to have this pump!
C Cragg
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#90909
Tue Dec 21 2004 08:09 AM
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[This message has been edited by bettin (edited 08-22-2005).]
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#90910
Tue Dec 21 2004 03:06 PM
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Here is a National out of my collection. Richard
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#90911
Thu Dec 23 2004 08:29 PM
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A COUPLE MORE 38s.
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#90912
Sun Dec 26 2004 05:08 PM
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here is my a-38 i just finished in phillips 66.i love the looks of these pumps but if the sides are bent up bad like this pump was they are a real pain in the backside.also getting the doors back on is a real treat.hard to beat the looks tho
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#90913
Sun Dec 26 2004 05:28 PM
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You guys have seen these photos before, but I wanted to participate in this segment. Here is a photo of my Green Porcelain National A-38. Here is a National Cut#365 (Similar to Cut#62) Before and after scraping off the old paint to expose the green porcelain. ------------------ Don "oltoydoc" Sherwood Vintage Gas
Don "oltoydoc" Sherwood oltoydoc@vintagegas.com (310)415-9562 Cel. Vintage Gas
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#90914
Mon Dec 27 2004 10:12 AM
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My National I just finished in September [This message has been edited by Fueluser (edited 12-27-2004).]
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#90915
Mon Dec 27 2004 10:20 AM
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that came out great you ol' fueluser.. gotta see it in person... maybe when the weather gets warmer... HA....
kmann
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#90916
Sat Jan 01 2005 07:41 AM
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#90917
Sun Jan 02 2005 09:11 AM
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Midwest oil , I didn't think there was a clock face A-38, do you have a close up shot of the faces, was this pump comverted to a Clock face or is it an actual model made by the factory, a Clock face A-38 would look great in my garage.
Chris Holt
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#90918
Sun Jan 02 2005 11:01 AM
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Yes this is a factory made clockface I think it was actually a model B-38. Just looked in Jack's book it is listed as a B-38. Also, Ron Scobie has new faces for them if you want to convert a computer pump. Here is a close up of the face. [This message has been edited by Midwest Oil (edited 01-02-2005).]
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#90919
Sun Jan 02 2005 11:09 AM
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A/B-38 clockface, IF I remember correctly, it was at IG about 6yrs ago, in the Holiday INN parking lot. White Porceline body [MARTHON], with sheetmetal instead of glass lenses. Seems like asking price was $750. Dick
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