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Dave Kois (Vintage-motorworks) sent me some photos from his booth at Barrett-Jackson. Dave specializes in "REPRODUCTION" fantasy pumps and restored originals.

(That reproduction was for Jarvis, just seeing the word makes him sweat.)

Here's Dave stuff.









On the far right is the Butler pump I traded him awhile back. Looks nice put together as a Veedol (Probably "REPRODUCTION" globes).

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C Cragg
www.poormansmuseum.com

Wouldn't you know it, I try to show off for the guy and he goes ahead and posts his own photos!

My post is the dial up friendly version.

repro sucks.... but i think i might have gave that impression before...

Geeeeeeeeeeeez KMANN, you sure are grumpy. Go put on that propeller hat and spin out all that tension.

Looks like you got it worse than Jarvis. Lets do a test.

"REPRODUCTION"

Are you shaking uncontrollably?

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA... hey poor.. repro ain't got no place.. propeller spinning !!!.. NOPE... still feel the same !!!

You've got the propeller spinning the wrong way.

Reverse, reverse, reverse!

ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.. sorry my california friend.. too late to compromise...

What the ---- how did i become the repop police? You guys that like repop's... remember the 13.5 were $89 and now are $69 so those doesn't look like a good investment to me. LOL

there ya' go jj... if you don't want the job.. i'll do it !!!

Jarvis, I've got some I'll sell you right now for $49.00.

Oh no wait, that was Doc on the other line, he needs some more table lamps and he's offering me $55.00.

Jarvis weren't you the one that posted the bit about "Why the hel* would anyone ever think about collecting repop globes and displaying them on their shelves?" (I'm paraphrasing here).

Now you got KMANN on your side so me and Doc challenge you two to thumb wrestling so we can settle this thing right now!

You know I hate to jump in the middle of this repro mess but since I don't have deep pockets like the guys that collect the original globes I also like the repros as I can afford them. I have 5 or 6 originals including 2 different Frontier globes that I have bought over the years for a good deal but with the prices of originals I will stay with the repros. And if they break I'm not out a lot of money either and we all know that broken globes have been a common occurrence latley. Don

Okay Jarvis, that's three against two, you better line up someone else for your team.

So far it's the "Repop Boys", Doc, Poor Man and gaspumpman

versus

"Originals Only", Jarvis and KMANN, you guys better get Bob on your team!

Poorman, Your funny... I don't know what i say from day to day. LOL All i know is why would someone want to collect repop globes and display them on a shelf.
example: I am looking for a 1966 or 1967 Nova... hope a SS car but anyway... if i had to put over half the car back together with aftermarket parts that would bother me but at least it would be an original car to start with but if i was to by a 1966 nova that was all repo then i would rather not have it. I can understand a guy buying a single original Richfield hi-octane globe and maybe putting a repop on the back as a filler but to just collect repop globes... doesn't make sence to me.

I am done... i am going to go talk to my 2 year old why i hate displayed repop globes. LOL Well except for pump restoring.

Back to the good looking pumps Dave has the poorman posted.

Poorman, Gaspumpman doesn't count... he has invested interest... i think he just listed every repop made tonight on ebay. LOL

Okay Dave, tell us about those pumps....

Hey Jarvis, at least you have a sense of humor about it. I don't collect globes, repop or real so what do I know anyhow.

Not only that but my wife rejected the table lamp idea so any repops I have that aren't on pumps are out the door.

Just remember JJ those 2 year olds grow up to be teenagers and whatever you say, they will do the opposite!

Okay, sorry gaspumpman, but no dealers allowed, we've got to settle this among the collector boys. Might want to email Doc though, he needs some more table lamps.

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o.k.. poorman.. i love your humor... you know that... but i feel repros got no place... if you want me to break that down i will... its been hashed over and over again but i'll go with my gut one more time..AS LONG AS THIS **** IS CLEARLY DEFINED AS REPRO... i guess i got no problem.. and on and on what people collect and why.. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.. oh sorry.. repro in my house.. no way... what others do and why... i'll respect that.. it hurts.. but i'll go the mile..

Looks like someone wants to make this a us against them thing. It really isn't that big a deal. It boils down to personal preference.
Me? I'm a collector, so I want originals. All of my lenses are original, but I have two repro globe bodies and its driving me crazy! I know , I know, short trip. Haha.

Don, you said "I don't have deep pockets like the guys that collect the original globes".
You might be suprized how small my collecting budget is. Its possible to build a nice collection on a limited budget. There are lots of globes that can be bought for less than $300 each, but they're not the graphic globes like what Pogo and Slama make. One guy went so far as to say my globes were ugly (the only negative comment I've ever heard about my collection). Maybe in his eyes they are, but to me they're great.

Its safe to say that most of the repro globes are going on restored pumps. Thats great. I'd hate to see an original outside on a pump where it would have a better chance of getting broken.

I think what JJ is talking about is the guys that have repro signs and globes on display. To me they just want a nostalgic look. That's fine, but that shouldn't be mistaken for "collecting".

There's no need for repro police, unless something is being mis-represented.

If someone wants to buy repops I say more power to them. BUT please only buy the marked repops! What we should be talking about is all of the UNMARKED repro's that are out there, and how to stop the problem from getting worse.

See, you let that propeller spin long enough and the tension goes away.

I am absolutely with you on the issue of Repros being marked and I can't tolerate feebay sellers that misrepresent repros as original.

As for reproduction globes, I have to agree with Jarvis that they belong on pumps.

However, I can also see why people might collect some of the finer reproduction globes and display them. When an original globe costs upwards of $2500.00 and you can buy 10 quality reproductions for $250.00 it makes sense if you want to have an impact.

If you have kids or live in earthquake country, I'd rather cry over a broken $250.00 repop than a $2500.00 original.

That's just my perspective, but then I can't see paying well over $2,000.00 for a 5 quart Polly Oil can either, so I guess it's just a point of view.

Obviously we'll never settle this, although I thought that the thumb wrestling was a good idea. We'll just agree to disagree and move on to the next hot topic......."Reproduction Signs"!

eloquant i ain't... fire from the hip and deal with it.... however... bob put it into perspective...

Bob, I don't know why someone would say your globes were ugly?? I have never seen an ugly globe repop or original. I think they all have something cool about them in either the graphics or in the colors. I did not mean to offend anyone about the deep pockets it's just I don't understand someone paying 500.00 or more for a globe that could get broken so easy or before it even gets in there hands. Once again I'm a pump man and globes are way down on my list of priorities. But I guess that is what makes collecting fun because if we were all after the same thing I would have nothing because it would all be to high priced to buy. Don

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Hey poorman I did not notice till now you kicked me out of the globe club. :0{

Don, I don't think anyone was offended.
Sure a $500 globe can get broken.....a $2000 pump can get dented, a $1000 quart can be dropped. I don't see potential breakage being a concern unless you've been in contact with JJ. LOL

OKAY, I GUESS IT'S MY TURN TO HORN IN HERE DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT'S WAY PAST MY BEDTIME! LOL!!!

FIRST OFF, I ONLY HAVE THREE REPRO GLOBES ON BASES SITTING AROUND MY HOUSE. THE REASON I HAVE THE TYDOL WAS FROM BEING INSPIRED OVER AT DON'S (5 QUART) HOUSE LAST WEEKEND. I ORDERED THE MOBILOIL OVAL WITH IT SINCE I HAD BEEN MEANING TO GET ONE SINCE LAST YEAR AT CARLISLE. THE SINCLAIR I THOUGHT WAS JUST A NICE DISPLAY OF GRAPHICS FROM ORIGINAL "RARE" GLOBAGE!

ALSO TAKE INTO EFFECT THAT I AM NOT A GLOBE COLLECTOR. I HAVE ONE ORIGINAL GLOBE AND I'VE BEEN COLLECTING FOR 20 YEARS! I DO HAVE ABOUT 8 OTHER REPRO GLOBES CURRENTLY ON ORIGINAL OLD PUMPS RESTORED AND NON-RESTORED.

I BUY THE REPRO'S BECAUSE THEY ARE CHEAP AND THEY LOOK GREAT LIT UP ON THE BASES I MAKE FOR THEM. CURRENTLY I HAVE ONLY 3 TABLE LAMPS LEFT IN MY HOUSE. ONE IS AN AC SPARK PLUG AND THE OTHER TWO ARE CLOSE TO BEING EVICTED FROM THEIR CURRENT POSITIONS!

I AM MERELY BUYING THESE WELL MADE LIGHT-UPS AS AN ADVERTISING PIECE AND FOR COOL LIGHTING IN MY NOT SO BORING HOUSE! AS BOB SAID, IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF PREFERENCE AND CERTAINLY NOT ONE RELIGION IN ONE CHURCH TO ONE GOD! SO LET'S SEE SOME VERSATILITY OUT THERE AND COLLECT AND/OR DECORATE THE WAY YOU WANT TO!

(TRAIN IN VAIN)

DR.COKE OF THE MOSTLY ORIGINAL AMERICAN GARAGES! T.Y.V.M!

I kicked you off before Bob jumped in to even up the teams, but then Doc never showed so you're back in.

Hey guys, it's fun to throw it around with all of you and I think we all know that it's just for fun.

Besides if we weren't having such a good time here we'd be stuck doing something boring like watching the State of the Union Address and all of the commentary afterwards.

KMANN, you're a good Man!

OOOops! Spoke too soon, the Doctor is in the house! Now it's even steven.

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Poor JJ he will never live that down!!! I'm glad I'm not him when it comes to the globes getting broke. I sure like the way he has kept good spirits even being hassled by everyone, even if I don't agree with him on the repro globe thing. But I guess my vote does not count any more, so I will go and cry myself to sleep counting rare double pumps. since it is only 8:22 I will go out and work on a few projects for awhile. Will check back in before bed time in 5 hours. Don

i think all of that was said doc..

enough with the broken globes... jarvis.. get rid of the repro globe you got on the "outside" pump and your in my corner... ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.. nevermind... this topic is gettin' stale...

Jarvis doesn't have to live it down, it's his legacy and that's why we like him so much.

Doc, on the other hand, is never going to live down tha table lamp thing. He's a regular Martha Stewart when it comes to home decorating. (And look where that got her).

poor.. never thought of that... garage cool... what u think... k mart might want to hear about this..

WOW what a topic, As Curt said I do both real and repro stuff and mark and sell the repro stuff as such. I made the wayne 800 double, 150 double and the boe oil dispenser mock up, all of which are items I wanted but could never find or afford so I decided to make them and sell a few to help cover the cost.

That's it!!!!!!!!!!


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BOB THANKS FOR MAKEING SUM CENTS OUT OF THIS BULL.R U SURE THAT CLOWN WAS NOT SAYING YOU WERE UGLY? NOW THAT WOOD MAKE SUM CENTS.LOL.......YOUR COLLECTION IS OUTSTANDING ACCORDING TO LONNIE HOP IN HIS CHECK THE OIL REPORT.
COULD CARE LESS ABOUT ANY BODY'S FINANCIAL SITUATION IF YOUR BUYING REPRODUCTION GLOBES TO COLLECT YOUR WASTING YOUR MONEY,EXCEPT FOR DECORATING.
ITS NOT OFTEN YOU GET TO ENJOY SOMETHING LIKE OUR HOBBY AND WATCH THE STUFF INCREASE IN VALUE.
JJ AND KM ......PM IS JUST TRYING TO KEEP US EAST COAST GUYS UP WHILE HE ENTERTAINS HIMSELF.NEVER SETTLE THIS?? IT HAS BEEN SETTLED A LONG TIME AGO IT JUST GETS REHASHED BY GUYS THAT AREN'T INTO GLOBES BECAUSE OF EARTHQUAKES.
HEY YOU SHOULD SEE MY COLLECTION!!!....ITS JUST AS GOOD AS A ZEROX.
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THANKS JP FOR THIS GREAT SITE
REX

rex... i would like nothing more than to see your collection and share a bourbon or two.. if you are a drinkin' man.. the bourbon's on me..

You're right Rex, I enjoy hashing it out with these guys, hopefully not just for my personal entertainment.

On the whole I'm in total agreement with you guys, buy real stuff and buy the best you can afford. There is not doubt that the long term best investment in this hobby is going to be real globes and real signs. They can be moved far easier than pumps and they graphically tell the history of this hobby.

Obviously there is a market for reproduction products because a lot of them are being sold but I don't believe that is where the long term value lies for the serious collector.

For those of us that are not so serious, they make nice wall filler and we can enjoy them for what they are.

Hope nobody was offended and took this in the good natured way it was intended!

Nice work by the way Dave.

I bought 4 pumps this week,2 bennett 541s,a wayne 60 and a St Louis Visible.All in my eyes unrestored,the guy thought he restored them by painting them with a brush.When I made the deal he had a globe that he had to keep,it was a repro,junk to me but gold to him I guess.He isnt a big collector,just had these pumps for a long time and decided to sell!I tried to tell him about the investment of original globes versus repro but he didnt care,he said they all looked the same with no money spent.Trying to get some pictures for everyone to see.Just restored a very old visible Groetken pump and a Bowser exacto sentry.Camera loaned to Female and never found its way back home yet!!

The educational aspect of this website is unbelieveable, I just found out that the stack of limited Edition globes that I have , is not considered collecting it's called decorating WOW all this time and I never knew ,Pogo, Slama , T-way Dwaine ,You guys never told me this was decorating and not collecting, I guess I'm in the wrong class, even though I have several ORIGINAL gas pumps to put them on ,I can now tell my friends that I don't collect them they just show up and I keep them and that they are in no way to be considered a collection ,it's to be looked at like wall paper, and another thing I just found out that the 500+ diecast cars that I've collected since the early 80's are considered noncollectables ,even though most are up around 400.00 to 600.00 in apprasel with a cost of maybe 10.00 originaly, Hey I know maybe I'll melt them down and make some art deco ash trays,yeah thats it, I've got to get rid of those Fake globes before the repro cops find out or I'm in big trouble, How did it get this far ,as a kid I told my dad, I said dad when I grow up I want to be a collector of original globes ,and he said thats good son ,set your sights high, OH man where did I go wrong? how did I get on this side of the tracks , they say that admitting it is the first step to recovery, wow. You guys are way up an a pedistal I am not worthy to even be on this site, I'am so ashamed of my self ,what will I tell my wife and kids. All you COLLECTORS have a good day

ENCORE! ENCORE! WELL SAID, MR. HOLT!
I LIKE HOW YOU "VENT!"

POOR MAN, I SOMETIMES WISH I COULD TAKE A NAUGHTY PICTURE ONCE IN A WHILE OF THOSE IMPORTS! LOL! BUT FOR NOW IT'S N/N FOR THE DOCTA!

K-MART? INTERIOR DECORATING? MARTHA STEWART? ( I HUNG WITH HER DAUGHTER IN THE HAMPTONS ONE NIGHT ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO) C'MON POOR MAN - DON'T PUT ME IN THAT LIFESTYLE - IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN!

DOC @ TAG/WEST

One thing to say. You only have to please yourself.
However, how did this post on Showcase get into a debate.
Bob, Hubba somebody move this to somewhere else. Ted

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Ted & Pam Roach
Lodi CA.
pca-west.org

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Hey Chris.. That doesn't appear to be the Chris I know, Calm, Laid back,Easy going, Low key.... Very Very well said....

I was kinda wondering when you were going to jump on the NASCAR thing....
Took longer than I thought.

It appears to me, from here, that P.M. (Curt) and Doc were just FUNNIN'

Some guys appear to be way to serious...
Lighten up a bit.......

This post did get moved by Gary to the general petro discussion, but to make sure you see my response I'm posting it over here too, since I was the one that started this whole thing here.

What started out as some good natured ribbing about the repop globes may have gotten a little sideways in the end. I think most of us took it for what it was (including Dave Kois) which was a fun discussion.

Dave had actually posted his pictures at almost exactly the same time that I did so there were two posts going featuring his great work.

Dave is a good natured guy and I was just trying to make the point that you can do some really nice work using reproduction pieces as he showcased. This is pretty much in line with the consensus that the repro globes look best on pumps.

If I did offend anyone, I would appreciate it if you would email me directly rather than air it out in the posts. I'd rather deal with it out on a one on one basis than turn what was intended to be fun into a public fued.

This is what I call a "Chocolate versus Peanut Butter" argument. Meaning, in the end it doesn't matter that anyone wins, or what your prference is, but by expressing all of our ideas we learn a lot and hopefully have a good time.

Boy, you leave town for a week or two and you come back to a subject like this!......I personally saw these pumps at Barrett Jackson. Dave did a great job on them. Not everyone's cup of tea,but it is a free country....last time I looked. Enough hot air on this subject to power a small city....live and let live.