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Help Explaining Visible Pump Numbers #727961
Wed Apr 10 2019 10:22 AM
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I feel kind of dump asking this question.

I have a Wayne 615 visible gas pump. The measurement numbers inside the glass cylinder seem backwards. They start at 0 (gallons) on the top and then progress downward to 10 (see pic). Can someone enlighten me. It appears to me they should go the other way ( 0 on bottom and 10 on top). Would you not pump the gas into the cylinder and it would fill from bottom to top (if gravity is in play) showing how much gas you have...then release the gas into the vehicle flowing down?

I know there must be a simple explanation but for the life of me I cannot figure it out. Again...please enlighten me in my ignorance!

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Help Explaining Visible Pump Numbers [Re: Stephenwarren30] #727962
Wed Apr 10 2019 10:34 AM
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When they had a sale you would pump until cylinder was full (drain back tube) then fill car when done it would read gallons sold...


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Re: Help Explaining Visible Pump Numbers [Re: Stephenwarren30] #727963
Wed Apr 10 2019 10:41 AM
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Its not set up as gravity feed pump,notice the nozzle. so cylinder stays full before discharge of fuel. If you pump 2 gallon it will show 2 gallon gone into your tank.

If it was set up as gravity feed you would have gate valve which was closed , filled to your desired purchase of gallon amount ,gate valve opened and it dumped into your auto.
And yes 0 to 10 would be from bottom up.

Hope this makes sense.


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Re: Help Explaining Visible Pump Numbers [Re: Stephenwarren30] #727965
Wed Apr 10 2019 10:43 AM
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That makes perfect since.
Thanks Preston!

Re: Help Explaining Visible Pump Numbers [Re: Loyd Pierce] #727979
Wed Apr 10 2019 02:08 PM
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A visible pump is gravity feed. I think you mean empty cylinder or full cylinder. What you describe is actually dry hose vs wet hose delivery.

Re: Help Explaining Visible Pump Numbers [Re: Stephenwarren30] #727983
Wed Apr 10 2019 04:26 PM
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My bad DB and I had couple of late night talks , when I was trying to grasp the difference. DB talking and me listening,

His late night talks always left it for you to process what he just said.

Then you questioned what you processed was what he was saying.LOL!

Anyway the way he described it as roads improved and autos done the same the need for more fuel for further distance was needed.

so many gravity feeds were converted to full cylinder , wet hose, and numbers flipped. Also that 5 gallons became less used and 10 gallon became the norm., some 5 gallons were converted,



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Re: Help Explaining Visible Pump Numbers [Re: Stephenwarren30] #727985
Wed Apr 10 2019 05:32 PM
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I am kind of lost. I don’t understand the two concepts.

However I do have a further question. If upon a “fill up” all 10 gallons of gas were manually pumped into the cylinder, if the buyer only purchased 8 gallons, would the remaining 2 gallons of gas remain in the cylinder until the next customer came and refilled the cylinder...or did the remaining amount drain into the drain valve?

Re: Help Explaining Visible Pump Numbers [Re: Stephenwarren30] #727986
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I would think they would have filled cylinder to the amount the customer wanted I doubt they left it in there.

Re: Help Explaining Visible Pump Numbers [Re: Stephenwarren30] #727987
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There is usually a drain back on the pumps. Many pumps have internal valves marked "return to tank" or "return to storage"

Re: Help Explaining Visible Pump Numbers [Re: Stephenwarren30] #730741
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I've been confused on this as well. My T-176 had no gate valve, hose, or nozzle when I purchased it. I had a spare hose and nozzle so I installed it just to complete the look. It might not be correct.

My question is... in the "wet hose delivery" method. How do you account for all the fuel inside the hose between the nozzle and cylinder? The fuel has to fill this void before it registers on the gallon markers correct? Our family store used visible pumps for years and I doubt that the old timers let that fuel slip by.


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Re: Help Explaining Visible Pump Numbers [Re: Stephenwarren30] #730754
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Remember--- there was no self serve back then ( that's my guess)


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Re: Help Explaining Visible Pump Numbers [Re: RedBkm] #730755
Mon Jun 10 2019 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by RedBkm
My question is... in the "wet hose delivery" method. How do you account for all the fuel inside the hose between the nozzle and cylinder? The fuel has to fill this void before it registers on the gallon markers correct? Our family store used visible pumps for years and I doubt that the old timers let that fuel slip by.


In all wet hose systems, the hose stays full of fuel before and after the sale. So the measurement in the cylinder shows how much the cylinder volume has gone down during a delivery session. You don't have to measure the fuel in the hose unless you run the cylinder and hose dry and have to refill the hose to start the next session. The vendor would be cheating himself if he did that.

Here is a "Wet Hose / Dry Hose" explanation in this forum's Frequently Asked Questions section:
http://www.oldgas.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=307687


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Re: Help Explaining Visible Pump Numbers [Re: Oldgas] #730852
Tue Jun 11 2019 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Oldgas

Here is a "Wet Hose / Dry Hose" explanation in this forum's Frequently Asked Questions section:
http://www.oldgas.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=307687


Thank you Jim. I've looked in the FAQ a couple of times and never read the gallon numbers post. Good info.

Now I need to switch my markers around to coordinate with the wet hose system.


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