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gasoildude
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posted 01-12-2006 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gasoildude   Click Here to Email gasoildude     Edit/Delete Message
Ditto JJ Ditto

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PremoPetrol
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posted 01-12-2006 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PremoPetrol   Click Here to Email PremoPetrol     Edit/Delete Message
BOB,
I AM NOT CONDEMING JIM BECAUSE HE FILED A LAWSUIT ! " I DON'T CARE.... "

1) FOR LOGOS HE CUSTOM MADE WITH NEW GRAPHICS, COLORS, DESIGN, HE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO COPYRIGHT AND SELL SOMETHING HE CREATED.

2) I DO NOT BELIEVE HE HAS THE ETHICAL RIGHT TO OWN AN OLD ORIGINAL IMAGE THAT HAS BEEN PUBLIC DOMAIN FOR EVERYONE TO USE AND THAT HE DID NOT CREATE !!!!! IT SETS A VERY DANGEROUS PRECEDENT AND HAS ALREADY HAD A DEFINITE COOLING EFFECT ON REPRODUCTION GLOBES.

3) I'M NOT JUDGING HIM ANYWAY, I AM SAYING WHAT HE IS DOING IS HURTING MY ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE HOBBY AT WHATEVER LEVEL I CHOSE !

4) IF I AM THE ONLY ONE ALLOWED TO MAKE SOMETHING THE CONSUMER WILL PAY MORE, NOT COPYRIGHT LAW, ECONOMICS 101.

5)IF I AM THE ONLY ONE LICENSED TO MAKE SOMETHING AND THE $ RETURN DOESN'T SATISFY ME...IT WON'T GET MADE.

6)IF YOU, HUBBA, LANCE, AND SETH ARE SO CONVINCED THAT THIS IS A JUSTIFIABLE ACTION RELATIVE TO DEFENDING THE LAWSUIT, THEN WE SHOULD NOT SEE ANYMORE COPYRIGHT GRABS OF OLD EXISTANT LOGOS SUBEQUENT TO THIS LAWSUIT ? RIGHT ? I THINK YOU ALREADY HAVE EGG ON YOUR FACES.

LARRY IVY


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PremoPetrol
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posted 01-12-2006 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PremoPetrol   Click Here to Email PremoPetrol     Edit/Delete Message
JJ, et al
Some Hobbiest build cars and drive them.
Some collect the hood ornaments.
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Larry Ivy
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Lastgas15
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posted 01-12-2006 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lastgas15   Click Here to Email Lastgas15     Edit/Delete Message

2) I DO NOT BELIEVE HE HAS THE ETHICAL RIGHT TO OWN AN OLD ORIGINAL IMAGE THAT HAS BEEN PUBLIC DOMAIN FOR EVERYONE TO USE AND THAT HE DID NOT CREATE !!!!!

6)IF YOU, HUBBA, LANCE, AND SETH ARE SO CONVINCED THAT THIS IS A JUSTIFIABLE ACTION RELATIVE TO DEFENDING THE LAWSUIT, THEN WE SHOULD NOT SEE ANYMORE COPYRIGHT GRABS OF OLD EXISTANT LOGOS SUBEQUENT TO THIS LAWSUIT ? RIGHT ? I THINK YOU ALREADY HAVE EGG ON YOUR FACES.

LARRY IVY

Defending someone's right to file a lawsuit doesn't have anything to do with what you feel is ethical. Jim is within his legal rights to file a lawsuit. I never mentioned whether I thought what he was doing was ethical or not. I did say that people shouldn't condemn him just because he filed a lawsuit. No one but those involved know all of the reasons that lead to the lawsuit.

As far as how copyrighting affects the hobby....well lets just say that we probably haven't heard the last about this subject!

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Kysoilman
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posted 01-12-2006 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kysoilman   Click Here to Email Kysoilman     Edit/Delete Message
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JJ, et al
Some Hobbiest build cars and drive them.
Some collect the hood ornaments.
.
Larry Ivy
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JUST BECAUSE JJ LIKES ORGINAL STUFF IS NO REASON FOR YOU TO PUT HIM OR ANYONE ELSE DOWN...... WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THE HOBBY LATELY..?
............

Rex..I edited your post a bit but left the content. Thanks for understanding my friend.
hubba
REX LIKES THIS HOBBY

[This message has been edited by djhubba (edited 01-12-2006).]

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PremoPetrol
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posted 01-12-2006 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PremoPetrol   Click Here to Email PremoPetrol     Edit/Delete Message
Bob,

You totally missed my point, if these copyrights were merely a defense in this lawsuit they shouldn't be necessary once this lawsuit is settled ? Right BOB ? What would be the use in grabbing something not relative to this case ?
Also I apologize to you because it does effect you as a globe or sign collector. Any progress in marking Limited repro runs will go back underground to hamper traceability.
Larry Ivy
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BLange
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posted 01-12-2006 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BLange   Click Here to Email BLange     Edit/Delete Message
Anyone got a bet when this ones gonna get locked?

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PremoPetrol
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posted 01-12-2006 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PremoPetrol   Click Here to Email PremoPetrol     Edit/Delete Message
KYSOIL
Its very interesting to see how you interpret my statement as a put down but JJ's wasn't ? I guess its all about whose ox is being gored ?

Petty namecalling aside, I'm not here lauding what I have done for the hobby, I'm defending my right to participate at what ever level I see fit, not what someone forces on me. If my position offends you, start another thread where you can all hold hands and sing.

Larry Ivy
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Lastgas15
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posted 01-12-2006 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lastgas15   Click Here to Email Lastgas15     Edit/Delete Message
Bob,
You totally missed my point, if these copyrights were merely a defense in this lawsuit they shouldn't be necessary once this lawsuit is settled ? Right BOB ? What would be the use in grabbing something not relative to this case ?
Also I apologize to you because it does effect you as a globe or sign collector. Any progress in marking Limited repro runs will go back underground to hamper traceability.
Larry Ivy
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Larry,
Do you REALLY think the underlying reasons for the lawsuit are about copyright? Or do you think thats just a byproduct of the company splitting up.
Also, I don't remember reading where anyone disagreed with you on how this affects the hobby.

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djhubba
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posted 01-12-2006 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for djhubba   Click Here to Email djhubba     Edit/Delete Message
Lets express our views nicely guys..i am still at work and trying to keep up my moderation duties while manning the tattoo shop as well..LOL. Some of you post quicker than i can moderate...LOL

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Hubba: GAS GEEK , OIL FREAK and humble moderator

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PremoPetrol
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posted 01-12-2006 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PremoPetrol   Click Here to Email PremoPetrol     Edit/Delete Message
Do you REALLY think the underlying reasons for the lawsuit are about copyright? Or do you think thats just a byproduct of the company splitting up.

No Bob, I think the reason for filing copyright is incidental to the lawsuit and will continue. I actually hope it doesn't.

Again, I'm not prejudging any legal action,
I just don't agree with what Jim is doing in one instance. I don't dislike him, I just don't support what he is doing and I have as much right to defend my position as he does his. Actually I was wanting to see how long we could discuss something on this site without the namecalling. If you want, you can ban me and I promise I will wear it like a badge of honor. Dwaine will be jealous !

PremoPetrol (edited 01-12-2006).]

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59fairlane
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posted 01-12-2006 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 59fairlane   Click Here to Email 59fairlane     Edit/Delete Message
Time to bury this horse then bury the shovel......

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Jarvis
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posted 01-12-2006 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jarvis   Click Here to Email Jarvis     Edit/Delete Message
I see were still having fun!

I want to add to your post Larry... i like original hood ornaments and not those cheap repro ones.

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Jarvis likes Rex!

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THE AMERICAN GARAGE
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posted 01-12-2006 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for THE AMERICAN GARAGE   Click Here to Email THE AMERICAN GARAGE     Edit/Delete Message
"AMEN" AS THE PRAYER ENDED AND THE CHURCH DOORS FLEW OPEN AND EVERYONE LEFT TOGETHER AND WENT THEIR SEPARATE WAYS IN THE HOBBY CALLED "PETROLIANA."

PLEASE LOCK THIS DRIBBLE......ER, THREAD.....PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE LOCK IT!

DOC

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racemad55
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posted 01-12-2006 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for racemad55   Click Here to Email racemad55     Edit/Delete Message
Doc,you can do whatever you want to with those pictures I sent of my big SOCONY billboard sign,even paint a copy,enjoy!

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