#113842
Tue Sep 30 2008 01:45 PM
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Hey guys, there is an eBay seller by the name of Diamondsprings from California selling fakes by the guy from Argentina. I checked his feedback and he bought several items from Wholesalecandyshop. Three are for sale now (Refiners pride, Flying A and Signal).
Tom
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#113843
Tue Sep 30 2008 05:51 PM
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Please post #'s or link's, so that others won't be taken in. db
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#113844
Tue Sep 30 2008 06:50 PM
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I think these are the ones tagree0 is talking about. 160288096555 160288096558 160288096561
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#113845
Tue Sep 30 2008 06:51 PM
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Here is link to one of the auctions. Just check sellers other items to see more. http://cgi.ebay.com/1940s-REFINERS-PRIDE-GASOLINE-PORCELAIN-PUMP-SIGN-8_W0QQitemZ160288096555QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item160288096555&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C 240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14
Bill Fortune
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#113846
Tue Sep 30 2008 08:14 PM
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THOSE ARE THE RIGHT #`S JACK POSTED,,IT`S SURE FUNNY HE STARTED EACH AUCTION WITH THE SAME PRICE $169.99,,HE GIVES POOR DECRIPTION ON THE SIGNS...I LIKE THE HOLES IN THE FLYING -A- TRUCK SIGN,,,TXS ALAN
Big Al`s Garage Always looking for:: Veedol-Tydol-Tidex-Cycol-Tycol.
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#113847
Tue Sep 30 2008 10:11 PM
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Yet the seller has over 3000 feedbacks with a 100% rating... go figure?
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#113848
Wed Oct 01 2008 04:51 AM
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Maybe this seller ( since 1998) is not aware that these signs are fake ? Looks like he has a good reputation. ( at least up till now )
Wes.......
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#113849
Wed Oct 01 2008 07:12 AM
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I emailed and asked if the signal was bought from Argentina or if it came off a pump to let me know. Sure looks like the signal from Argentina? I don't know the seller but is in my neck of the woods. Here is link to the signal. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=160288096558 Ted ------------------ Ted Pam & Ethyl Roach Lodi CA. Looking for Signal, Hancock, Mohawk, Douglas, Gilmore and Richfield [This message has been edited by troach (edited 10-01-2008).]
Ted Pam Ethyl & Polly Roach Lodi CA. 209-210-8971 Looking for Signal, Hancock, Mohawk, Douglas, Gilmore and Richfield
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#113850
Wed Oct 01 2008 07:17 AM
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Ebay removes all negative feedback. Might as well remove all feedback & just post numbers.
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#113851
Wed Oct 01 2008 08:41 AM
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dont believe that to be true db .. even when for some legit reason negative fb is removed you can usually tell by looking at ones history where normally it will indicate this
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#113852
Wed Oct 01 2008 09:15 AM
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These are definitely from candyshop. No response yet from Diamondsprings. He does have a good feedback score, so I kinda hope he isn't intentionally selling fakes.
By the way, he bought 4 items from candyshop. I have identified 3 above, but one of his others is a fake too. Not sure which...
Tom
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#113853
Wed Oct 01 2008 09:56 AM
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got my curiousity... how does one estalish that info?
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#113854
Wed Oct 01 2008 11:09 AM
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I recognized the Refiner's plate by sight. The two chips on the right side of the plate. That is a recurring theme with candyshop's stuff. There are usually a couple of chips in the porcelain, always off to the side--just enough to make it look used. It has gotten to the point that these chips are really a signature of the forger. Check the signal plate--a couple of chips, but not in the center. Same with the Flying A.
Anyway, I recognized the two chips from the Refiner's plate and knew right away it was the exact plate candyshop listed a while back. Then I looked at the pictures from the back of the plate. Most, but not all, of candyshop's signs have a distinctive rusty back, another signature.
I then checked Diamonspring's feedback, and sure enough, he has 4 positive feedbacks from candyshop.
I checked Diamonspring's other items for sale and found the Signal and Flying A plates. They have the exact same signature--a few chips off to the side, same rusty backs, and this batch of fakes all have the same gentle curvature. Because they were all cut from the same piece of steel.
Tom
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#113855
Wed Oct 01 2008 11:14 AM
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What a sick, sad world this is.
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#113856
Wed Oct 01 2008 11:38 AM
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For those who don't know yet, Wholesalecandyshop is no longer a registered user. He has resurfaced as cosasviejasmex. Newer signs have a painted black back with little rust. He seems to be drifting away from the really sought after gas stuff to doing more non-petro stuff like beer signs, still with the signature porcelain chips of the front. Maybe he is feeling the heat of Oldgas folks who have had enough of his mess. However, he hasn't finished selling off all of the gas stuff yet. He currently has a mobil sign. http://cgi.ebay.com/LARGE-OLD-GARGOYLE-OIL-PORCELAIN-ENAMEL-SIGN-MOBILOIL_W0QQitemZ220288162795QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item220288162795&_trkparms=72%3A1205|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A 1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14
I can't say for sure this is fake, but it has the signature rusty back, but without the signature chips on the front.
He also has a fire chief sign with the signature chips on the front, but the rusty back looks different. However, the rusty back of the fire chief is identical to his Bovril sign. Both of these signs happen to be the exact same size. My guess is that he cut the Bovril sign and intended to make another fire chief, but then decided to get away from the gas stuff, so painted something else instead. But that is just a guess. At any rate, the fire chief and bovril were cut from the same stock.
Tom
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