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Another fraud making unmarked signs
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Maybe this Seller has been noted before? If not;Their Ebay name is "passion4signs" and also sell under "classiccarsnsigns"...

One of their "made to order signs"

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AC-DELCO-SPARKPL...VE/231157152211


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Re: Another fraud making unmarked signs
Bob Richards #513630 Fri Feb 14 2014 07:08 AM
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They aren't stating that it is an original.

Re: Another fraud making unmarked signs
cdreed06 #513700 Fri Feb 14 2014 12:41 PM
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WHAT PART OF "NOT MARKING", DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

When a fake is NOT, marked as such. It can be sold "down the line" as an original... When marked, the "Seller" has to alter the item to remove or obscure the markings....

WE ARE COLLECTORS HERE; For the most part... It hurts our hobby, when frauds make and sell repops and fantasy items as originals!!!!! Or when others, sell repops and fantasy items at "Gas and Oil" Shows, Flea Markets, in Auctions... etc... When they know that the items are "Unmarked" Fakes....


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Re: Another fraud making unmarked signs
Bob Richards #513708 Fri Feb 14 2014 01:17 PM
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It's clear that the seller is making the signs to order. Calling him a "fraud" is extreme and incorrect in this situation.

Re: Another fraud making unmarked signs
JeffS #513713 Fri Feb 14 2014 01:29 PM
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It's about the downstream guy!! Not the person buying this piece today. It's about the preservation of the authentic. Unmarked/undated fantasy/repop pieces pervert the future of the hobby.
Get it??


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Re: Another fraud making unmarked signs
JeffS #513717 Fri Feb 14 2014 01:45 PM
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Jeff, are you a Collector, a Decorator, a "Picker" or...?

I am a Collector. Been one for multiple decades...

In my opinion, I am 100% correct...

I believe that most Collectors feel the same about those that make "Unmarked" items; Items that can be passed off as originals by future Sellers; Because the items have no markings showing that they are not old nor original...


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Re: Another fraud making unmarked signs
JeffS #513740 Fri Feb 14 2014 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: JeffS
It's clear that the seller is making the signs to order. Calling him a "fraud" is extreme and incorrect in this situation.
He's making limited unmarked reproduction items for a profit. What would the proper name or term be?

Re: Another fraud making unmarked signs
JimT #513746 Fri Feb 14 2014 03:48 PM
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fraud [frawd]
noun

deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.

- Bottom line, this seller is doing nothing deceitful. He CLEARLY states that the signs are made to order. Anyone that takes one of his signs and pawns it off as original would be the fraud.

Re: Another fraud making unmarked signs
Steven C. #513750 Fri Feb 14 2014 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: Steve C.
It's about the downstream guy!! Not the person buying this piece today. It's about the preservation of the authentic. Unmarked/undated fantasy/repop pieces pervert the future of the hobby.
Get it??


Yes, I "get" your comment. My point is that the seller is in no way being fraudulent, as the OP stated in the title of this thread. The potential fraud would be downstream.

Re: Another fraud making unmarked signs
JeffS #513753 Fri Feb 14 2014 04:42 PM
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The use of the word "fraud" could in fact be debated here. I can give you that.
But I still find it disrespectful to the hobby to produce unmarked/undated pieces. If you believe in preserving history and authenticity, there is never an excuse for that practice.


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Re: Another fraud making unmarked signs
Steven C. #513765 Fri Feb 14 2014 05:37 PM
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i wonder if he paying royalties on the rights to use all these different logos....If he does one of H-D , they may be at his door soon....not sure if its illegal, but he could be held accountable in civil court.....

Re: Another fraud making unmarked signs
roadrelics #514196 Sun Feb 16 2014 11:23 AM
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I totally agree that the duplication of these signs could be illegal, depending on copyright laws.

Re: Another fraud making unmarked signs
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Fraud is a deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.

Vintage style sign is not as clear as metal sign with vinyl graphics applied. Selling copyright protected/intellectual property without a proper licensing agreement in place isn't exactly stellar or lawful behavior.

The guy is an opportunist with no regard for the hobby, purchaser or anyone else. It's all about money...greed. In my books he is a crook, fraudster amongst many other things. Definitely not someone I would be defending. I'm with Bob.


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Re: Another fraud making unmarked signs
Dave's Garage #519808 Tue Mar 11 2014 10:38 AM
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Just date the darn things!!


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Re: Another fraud making unmarked signs
Keystone Gas Man #519958 Tue Mar 11 2014 08:04 PM
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How does anyone know that these signs are not dated or marked ? It would actually be to the manufacturers best interest to do to encourage repeat business. I did not see any close-up photos or evidence to suggest that they were or were not. Dave


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