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#127164 - Mon Dec 25 2006 11:46 PM Cleaning Cement off a Porcelain Sign ??
Philip Offline
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Registered: Fri Dec 09 2005
Loc: Oklahoma
Does anyone have any ideas on cleaning large amounts of dried concrete off a porcelain sign? What are the odds of success without damaging the porcelain underneath?

I personally don't think it can be done, but I've been wrong before. Maybe someone out there has ran onto this and has some insight.

Thanks!!

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#127165 - Tue Dec 26 2006 07:01 AM Re: Cleaning Cement off a Porcelain Sign ??
THE AMERICAN GARAGE Offline
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Registered: Wed Jun 02 2004
Loc: PECONIC BAY, L.I., NY, USA
DEPENDS ON THE CONDITIONS OF THE SIGN. IS IT IN A FRAME OR NOT? IF NOT, I WOULD TRY TO FLEX THE SIGN AS MUCH AS I CAN TO SEE HOW MUCH WOULD FALL OFF ON IT'S OWN. ON OCASSION, I HAVE USED A WELL SHARPENED PUTTY KNIFE AND GETTING BEHIND AND UNDER THE CEMENT LAYING ON THE SIGN AND EITHER SCRAPING OR FLICKING PIECES OF THE CEMENT OFF. THERE MIGHT EVEN BE A LIQUID PRODUCT THAT WOULD BREAK DOWN AND LOOSEN CONCRETE....QUESTION IS, WHAT WOULD IT DO TO THE SURFACE OF THE SIGN? DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THE SIGN IN QUESTION?
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#127166 - Tue Dec 26 2006 08:39 AM Re: Cleaning Cement off a Porcelain Sign ??
Mac Offline
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Registered: Fri Sep 17 2004
Loc: Moline, IL, USA
Not sure about its affect on porcelain, but I know that many car detailers struggle to get concrete off of vehicles' exterior paint surfaces. Many use Muratic Acid, but I know that you have to be very careful not to get it on your skin, in your eyes, or breath the stuff. I'm not sure if it would damage porcelain, but I imagine it would work as you can use it (carefully) on a car's painted surface.

Good luck.

Mac

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#127167 - Tue Dec 26 2006 08:53 AM Re: Cleaning Cement off a Porcelain Sign ??
JimT Offline
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Registered: Fri Dec 06 2002
Loc: Cleveland,Ohio U.S.A.
Phil-
My father was a bricklayer and I've been a cement mason for over thirty years. Occasionally we have to clean splashes or smudges off various surfaces. The thing you have going in your favor is that porcelain is'nt very porous.But it is brittle so dont flex it to much or cracko!You'll probablly want to try to break down the cements bond to the sand particals and surface with some muriatic acid. You maybe can get a gallon of it at home cheapo or lowes. For sure at a builders supply(masonary). They will tell you to start off with like 10to1 mixture. I'm much to impatient for that.Mix it so when you wipe or brush it on the porcelain it doesnt bubble--Try on the back first probablly about 4or5 to 1.Make sure your not etching(taking the gloss off) if not wipe it on the cement. It should bubble a bit-dont breathe the fumes-try not to get on your skin definatly not in your eyes LOL. dont let it sit in puddles on the porcelain-maybe stand it up.repeat untill it corrodes or disolves and comes off rinse it good and then wipe lemon juice on it to neutralize the reaction on the exposed metal or it will rust like crazy. Good luck-I'd like to see before and after pictures. Jim

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#127168 - Tue Dec 26 2006 09:49 AM Re: Cleaning Cement off a Porcelain Sign ??
Philip Offline
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Registered: Fri Dec 09 2005
Loc: Oklahoma
Thanks guys! I don't actually own the sign yet. I've been debating whether or not to buy it. It's a large very rare sign.

IS EVERBODY SITTING DOWN??
It's a 6FT Frontier Keyhole sign (orange background version)

It makes me sick even to look at it with the concrete all over it!

If I do buy the sign it will be a while before I'll actually have it home. I'll post pics when and if I get it home.

Thanks again for the ideas!

[This message has been edited by Philip (edited 12-26-2006).]

[This message has been edited by Philip (edited 12-26-2006).]

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#127169 - Tue Dec 26 2006 10:00 AM Re: Cleaning Cement off a Porcelain Sign ??
dodogas Offline
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The good part is it will be cheaper because of the cement!!

Unless the guy is reading this forum..

90 % sure it will clean up rather quickly..

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#127170 - Tue Dec 26 2006 10:25 AM Re: Cleaning Cement off a Porcelain Sign ??
Philip Offline
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Registered: Fri Dec 09 2005
Loc: Oklahoma
I knew that's a chance I'd be taking with posting this here. I wanted other opinions before I purchased it. I knew everyone would want to know what kind of sign, etc. It's only fair to tell the people who are offering their advice and ideas. The way it is now is pretty much worthless to me. I'll just hope for the best.

Philip

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#127171 - Tue Dec 26 2006 10:50 AM Re: Cleaning Cement off a Porcelain Sign ??
JimT Offline
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Loc: Cleveland,Ohio U.S.A.
Phil= is it a big wad,splashes, smudges or what? Smudges and smears will be a bit tougher but if you try to just keep the cement wet it'll dissolve. Like Dodo said I would be pretty optimistic-Jim

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#127172 - Tue Dec 26 2006 11:57 AM Re: Cleaning Cement off a Porcelain Sign ??
gasoildude Offline
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Registered: Mon Nov 29 2004
Loc: Oneida IL USA
Muratic acid & a plastic puddy knife. You dont want anything hard that will chip or scratch the porcelian. Good luck & keep us posted
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#127173 - Tue Dec 26 2006 06:41 PM Re: Cleaning Cement off a Porcelain Sign ??
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Be very careful with the Muratic acid. I ruined about 20 Early TIDEWATER well head signs. Signs had hairline cracks & it ate the White Porcelain off, left the Black lettering alone.

You can also use Baking Soda & water to neutralize the acid.
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#127174 - Tue Dec 26 2006 06:48 PM Re: Cleaning Cement off a Porcelain Sign ??
blacktee Offline
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Registered: Mon Jan 17 2005
Loc: Saline, Mi USA
Somebody will have to correct me if I'm wrong. But the cause of crazing to porcelain (hairline cracks) is flexing, bending the porcelain. Have I been told wrong ???

Thanks Doug

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#127175 - Wed Dec 27 2006 07:32 AM Re: Cleaning Cement off a Porcelain Sign ??
gulfiend! Offline
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Registered: Fri Jul 01 2005
Loc: Raleigh, North Carolina
...I have picked/scraped concrete off of a porcelain Shell sign...it was little spatters...I kept the sign wet and took my time, used a razor blade paint scraper...it took a while, and MANY razor blades, but it didn't hurt the sign...my advice, take your time...if the sign looks to be in good shape and is priced right, go ahead and get it...use acid as a last resort...my $.02...
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#127176 - Wed Dec 27 2006 09:12 AM Re: Cleaning Cement off a Porcelain Sign ??
cormy Offline
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Registered: Mon Feb 09 2004
Loc: PA
I'm thinking submerge the sign in water for as long as it takes? Will the cement absorb the water and gradually dilute into nothing? Although- they do have cement under water as bridge bases and such Im sure, so maybe not? I have a painted Old Gold sign with cement splatters always wanted to remove it.

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#127177 - Wed Dec 27 2006 11:28 AM Re: Cleaning Cement off a Porcelain Sign ??
dodogas Offline
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Loc: Kelowna British Columbia Canad...
LMAO at the thought of trying to flex a 6 ft sign...maybe Jim Carey could do that!!


I would stay away from the flexing. You could try a harwood homemade scraper or chisel, wet it and start carefully knocking it off..

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#127178 - Wed Dec 27 2006 12:32 PM Re: Cleaning Cement off a Porcelain Sign ??
djhubba Offline
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Registered: Fri Jan 24 2003
Loc: Seattle WA
I like Dodo's idea. I think above all, "Patience" will be key.

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#127179 - Wed Dec 27 2006 07:48 PM Re: Cleaning Cement off a Porcelain Sign ??
richburris6 Offline
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Registered: Sat Jul 01 2006
Loc: Concord, NC
I am an inspector with NCDOT and field test concrete and other materials. We use vinegar to clean up our test instruments after the cement has dried. They are made of glass and porcelain is essentially a glass product. I have also taken concrete off of large porcelain signs by using a metay putty knife and rubber hammer to loosen the large clumps, being careful to stay off the porcelain. Then working using plastic instruments to get the rest off.
Good Luck Rich B
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#127180 - Thu Dec 28 2006 09:48 PM Re: Cleaning Cement off a Porcelain Sign ??
allsho80 Offline
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Registered: Tue Jan 10 2006
Loc: Oquawka, IL
This might sound funny but, WD40. My dad was a contractor and when concrete would splash upon sideing WD40 would take it right off after it hardened. I also have seen it used to take concrete off many other things. It also stated it in there book they put out on what WD is good for.
Might give it a shot, alot easier on the finnish than acid!!!!
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#127181 - Fri Dec 29 2006 03:36 PM Re: Cleaning Cement off a Porcelain Sign ??
gasoildude Offline
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Registered: Mon Nov 29 2004
Loc: Oneida IL USA
It will give some shine too lol
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#127182 - Fri Dec 29 2006 05:22 PM Re: Cleaning Cement off a Porcelain Sign ??
hotcidr Offline
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Registered: Fri Jul 27 2001
Loc: Carpinteria, Ca. USA
Yo Ho and Happy New Year. Here's my take. Get some commercial porcelain toilet bown cleaner which is actually diluted muratic acid this is wont' hurt you unless you just pore it on yourself. Small brass brush, light strokes and wala you are done. Polish to perfection and good luck.

[This message has been edited by hotcidr (edited 12-29-2006).]

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#127183 - Fri Dec 29 2006 08:29 PM Re: Cleaning Cement off a Porcelain Sign ??
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
Ray,
Are those TOPS bolted on ? Sure Glad TOKHEIM 36B doors AREN'T locked on !
Hey, what time did you say your leaving for the party ?
db
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#127184 - Sat Dec 30 2006 10:23 AM Re: Cleaning Cement off a Porcelain Sign ??
gasgeezer Offline
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Registered: Wed Mar 20 2002
Loc: Hamilton Mt, USA
Ray, Looks like the pot a gold is directly under the center of the rainbow in Ca...

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