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I just got an erie 71 and it has front ad glass holder instead of the scalloped design that is usually above the face plate, It is marked 71 yet in the gas pump book it only shows a model 91g and 90 having the ad glass attachment on front, was wondering if this is a rare model and if anyone knows about it, Ad glass holder is obviously original as it has the scalloped design on top and bottom of ad glass holder

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Does it have a GLASS TOP ?

No glass top

here is the pump

Sorry to say it is not a rare model. Only rare Model is the one with glass top. Rick

When I originally posted this there was some controversy of which model it is. I checked the ID tag [again]& it is a Figure 70.

I believe this model could be ordered w/ or w/o Glass top, adv glass or Station lighter.
The pump it self is not RARE [you've got 2, T-way has more than a few].
jm2c:
Glass top would add $1200-1500 to value of pump.
[Brass lettering for Glass top might add $100-150]
S.L. would add $900-1100 to value of pump.
Adv. glass would add $100 to value of pump.
Faces plates like yours vs what I have, Add $50-100.

just to add to this thread there is an auction coming up in las vegas i cant remember the date maybe dick can they will be selling a erie 70 done in ritchfield with the original top. i also have one of these pumps i think there great.

Dick:

I think I have either a bit more - or a bit less than 5 complete Erie 70/71's now.

I've got pieces all over the Coop and the Pole Barn. As soon as the weather breaks, one of my first projects is to get all of them together and figure our exactly how many complete pumps I have and get started on some restorations.

I bought one at auction last fall that was not totally complete - and then a did a quick run out to California shortly after that and got 2 more + a few extra pieces.

And of course - I've got all the SS Trim I need to finish them off!! LOL

Later . . .

Jim

P.S. I think your estimate of the value of the glass top is low. If you really want one (and I did) you will step up to the plate when one becomes available and pay the price.

jim im getting ready to start on mine as soon as it warms up. i will be getting a hold of you i thought i had all the trim but i dont. so i guess i will get to spend some money and by the trim package.

In the middle of restoring my Erie 81 clockface with original bubble glass face glass and glass top. Will be flying Richfield colors. Got the glass top from frankpl with a little corner damage to it, but it's original. Looks a lot like the 70/71 model. Kent.

Jim,
MORE than a Few, But less than a 1/2 Doz. ! LOL
I know you have the bottom of the SL & heard ya bought a Glass Top. Do you have an 81 ?

So its a 70 since it has the ad glass holder and 71 would be the regular non ad glass type? I guess the factory made it without the scalloped part above the face plate and someone didn't just redo these to add the ad glass holder??

What is S.L that adds $900 to pump? is this the ad glass holder?

Check the ID plate for the Figure # [Model #].

I believe S.L. was Dick's abbreviation for station lighter. But then again, I've been wrong before! ;-)

I'm thinkin the 70 is non add glass and the 71 has the add glass?? I know the 80 is non add glass and the 81 has add glass. Kent.

I have a model 70. It has a narrow base and I have seen some with a wider base. Is that a 81?

Guess I should replace my original ID plate with a repo because mine from the factory is wrong !

Okay - here is my understanding of the Erie numbering system for this particular pump series.

'Even' Model Numbers: i.e. '70', '80', etc. - non ad glass pumps.

'Odd' Model Numbers: i.e. '71', '81', etc. - Ad Glass pumps.

The pumps came in Clockface and Computer versions. Clockface pumps had the glass attached to the inside of the doors. The glass was cast and very thick, and it was domed outward to clear the clockface hands.

Computer versions came with two different faceplate designs. But in both versions, the glass attached behind the porcelain faceplates and was held in place by a thin aluminum 'tray' that positioned the glass in the correct orientation. Working from outside to inside, you had the faceplate, glass, then the aluminum plate - all held in place with the 4 faceplate mounting bolts.

In addition, you could order 'upgrades' to all the pumps. These consisted of Station Lighter attachments in lieu of a globe, globe mounts or glass tops.

The globe mounts sat down inside the sheet metal tops to prevent anyone from loosing the retaining bolts and making off with the globe(s). The height of the mounting ring was adjustable up-and-down to facilitate the type of globe you were using.

You saw a lot of these pumps at Shell stations. The adjustable mounting rings allowed you to recess the bottom of the clamshell globes below the top of the pump itself.

The most 'rare' versions would have to be the Station Lighter or Glass Top versions. I have yet to see a complete Station Lighter assembly - just various pieces. And the Glass Top pumps had a difficult time surviving since the tops were held in place with gravity. When the pumps were taken out of service - they were unbolted and put on a two wheel cart for removal. As soon as the pump was tilted enough - the glass tops fell off and shattered. That is one reason why they are so rare.

And . . . I have see two different bases on these pumps. Westcoast pumps seem to feature a cast base that has a 'flare' to the bottom. Midwest pumps seem to have a welded angle-iron base (like Matt has).

For some production years you could also order machined letters that attached to the RH and LH sides of the sheet metal tops that would spell out the name of the gas station/brand.

I hope this helps everyone undestand these unique 'Art Deco' pumps. They are one of my favorite pump designs.

Later . . .

Jim

Guess I'll change the Fenders to keep peace.

I've restored two clockface versions of this pump and the glass doesn't attach to the inside of the door (at least not on the ones I did). They attached to the faceplate itself. The big, cast glass had four "dogs" at each corner that were screwed-down to the face plates. Most of those cast glasses broke-off at the dogs and are impossible to find if you don't have them.

thanks t way for your info on this pump it makes me wish it would warm outside so i could start on mine. it is a very neet pump. im going to do mine in a standard white crown version

Petropumps:

Thanks for the clarification. I have never had one of the Clockface versions and was going by what I (thought) I had been told.

I do have an original flyer from Erie on these pumps somewhere around here. I'll see if I can find it tomorrow.

Later . . .

Jim

I could use a good totalizer face with the pinstriping if anybody has one. Brady

I need the thin pinstrip metal for the top of the one I just got, anyone know where to get these?

T-way makes 'em

Hey gang -

Here is one page from the brochure I was telling you about.


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Notice that the pump is labeled as a '70' on the page and it features the 'optional' glass top and the 'standard' cut-out metal lettering on the top sides.

The brochure states:

Quote:

Your brand name in cut out brass letters mounted on metal strips on the crown of the pump on each side. Stand out sharply against the globe and show up beautifully at night. Standard when ordered with Figure 70 pumps. These names are not fired into the glass nor any part of the globe.

The following pump information was taken from the 2nd Edition of 'An Illustrated Guide to Gas Pumps' Copyright, 2008 John H. Sim.

Figure 70 and 71 pumps were produced in 1936 and are computer pumps.
Figure 80 and 81 pumps were produced in 1936 and are non-computing (Clockface) pumps.
Figure 90 and 91 pumps were produced in 1938 and were computer pumps.
Figure 90G and 91G pumps were produced in 1938 and were non-computing (Cash Recorder) pumps.


Later . . .

Jim

56 - Check the web site on the 'Stainless' page. The correct SS Trim for these pumps is at the bottom of the page.

Hello all, I just bought a model 71. I'm located in SC and the pump has the flaired base. I may be able to buy a 80 clockface and wonder if it is possible to locate the faces, arms and glass anywhere. If not..is the mechanism the same as other clocks, where another pump part would work. I also ask if anyone should buy a new stainless kit.. maybe might have a couple of originals they could sell me. I'm only missing a couple.

also..the vertical ribbons on the doors and sides, did any come with stainless covers.Thanks, Bob

Poppy:

I can't help you with you questions about the Clockface interchangability. I do know the domed glass covers for the clockface pumps are not reproduced and extremely hard to find (I've never seen one for sale that was not atached to a pump!).

As for original Stainless strips - I have some originals, so when you are ready, give me a shout and we'll work out a price.

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BTW - I also have a pair of spinners that have been chromed. I would like to trade them for a nice pair of original ready-to-paint spinners. Even up, I'll pay shipping to you, you pay shipping to me.

This offer is available to anyone. First come - first served!

Later . . .

Jim

Holy Cow -- you leave for summer break and suddenly Erie pumps are everywhere. My class is raring to go on our pump and want to get all the "stupid safety" stuff out of the way. With all of these pumps coming out of the woodwork and people getting ready to restore them, has a milk glass top surfaced anywhere that might be for sale? Does anyone know what happened to the plans to make reproduction ones? Thanks for the info and it is good to be back.
Chris

Jim, As far as the spinners..the site glass's are on but seem to short for the opening. Looking inside no spinners appear but I'll look again. The strips I need are (1) side piece that wraps around. Center pieces need (3) long and (3) short. They don't need to be perfect since I can tap out dents and buff out..money is always a concern for me and I am retired so more labor is ok. Are You T-Way?? or did I misunderstand something Thanks, Bob

Bob;

Yup, I'm jim or T-way. Just depends on how my wife feels when she yells for me! LOL

When you are ready for the stainless, just give me a call on the Toll Free Number and I'll set you up.

I've got all the original pieces you need.

As for the height of your sight glasses - Once you get them out, measure the overall height and let me know. I can measure one of the loose ones I have sitting around and let you know if the ones you have are correct. A lot of people use a 'Bennett' sight glass in their restorations - esp if they don't have spinners. The Bennett ones won't go over the Erie spinners - just the Erie sight glasses will.

Later . . .

Jim
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Jim, Please quote me by email. girlscoutdad2004@hotmail.com...I doubt they are Bennett site glass's since this pump was never restored and was taken out of service 50 years ago due to being hit by a car. I wonder if the spinners are rotten. An old Tokheim I had had spinners that decomposed. Are Erie sometimes a non-metal material? Bob

How many pumps have this clear glass over the face?


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Don, Lets see a Full picture of that Pump...

Don - just the clockface versions.

Jim

The face could be reproduced but the glass...impossible without a mold. Boy that some pump

Sorry if I misled anyone, the pump above is not mine, and I don't have permission to share the owners info. I know he "lurkes" here, and hopefully, he will share more info with us on the pump. I just wanted to show an example of the "bubble" glass face cover.
Don

i am the guy that restored that pump for a west coast collector back when i used to go to all the good guys shows my son in law and i are thinging about repopoing the glass top in plastic or lexan just trying to get a handle on what people would be willing to pay for a top t way will handle the marketing as it will be his top that the mold will come from thanks dave

Although we have a globe on the pump now, the group we are restoring the Erie 71 for still wants a glass top. We would certailnly be interested in the reproduction top if one becomes awailable. From this thread alone it appears that there is at least 5 people who are looking for one. I would guess that the production costs would determine the price. I personally (without input from the group) would guess that $250 is about top dollar on a reproduction. Anyone else?????

I would buy two, and as far as the price ? You could get 250.00 to 325.00 each. That's just me talking. I do have a extra clock face complete with the glass.


Rick

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New member here. I bought this '36 Erie about 15 years ago for $100. Just now decided to restore it to working condition. Want to see if I can get some info here.

The only part missing from the pump is the glass top (no one repops still?) 4 pieces of trim and the piece of trim on the side where the pump handle is (if there is a piece that goes there) It is also missing the motor and the motor pulley and belt. I need to know the motor specs (frame type, 110v 1 ph, the size of the pulley that goes on the motor, the motor rpm, etc. Also does anyone re-silk screen the numbers on all the number wheels.

The pump looks very easy to restore. I have been restoring 40's-50's Harleys for the last 22 years, so the finishes on the pump are nothing new to me. I believe this pump was red with the center strips yellow. Would some one like to fill me in more?

does anyone have a picture of this "station lighter"? I know what the globe is and the milk glass top (very cool) but what is the station lighter?

[b][/b]Sorry to hi jack the thread but has anyone got a top for sale (the bit that takes the trim)

Thanks

Greg

nice pump. i love this series of eries. the station lighter is a light that comes out of the top that lights up the pump island. i've never seen an actual complete one but jack sim's guide to gas pumps has a illustration of a station lighter. the glass tops still havent been repopped but trim can be purchased from ron scobe @ www.gaspump.com. i would buy the missing trim and throw a globe on there untill the glass tops are repopped if they ever get reproduced.