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VERY NICE! VERY **COUGH-FRAGILE-COUGH-COGH** LOL! 
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Here is a original neon body a buddy of mine has. 
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Can't wait for mine to get here. I am supposed to get the first Low Pro. 
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Here is a original neon body a buddy of mine has. Brad,That neon doesn't do anything for me but I sure like the Wareco ovals you can see in the background!
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Ditto that Bob on the Warecos 
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Anyone know if the new neon bodies are being dated?
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Anyone know if the new neon bodies are being dated? With Slama powder coated reproduction bodies, new technology neon transformers, new bulb socket and I think plastic neon standoffs , it should be easy to tell they are not NOS originals, even for me.  But then I'm not that smart. 
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Anyone know if the new neon bodies are being dated? With Slama powder coated reproduction bodies, new technology neon transformers, new bulb socket and I think plastic neon standoffs , it should be easy to tell they are not NOS originals, even for me. But then I'm not that smart. I'm not worried about anyone thinking they are NOS originals NOW. I'm worried what will happen 20 years down the road. I don't have a problem with these being made and I think they are interesting but they should be marked. I saw an original many years ago. Its different than the original Brad posted a picture of. There's always more to learn about what we collect. There's been a lot of discussion on here recently about the future of our hobby. Many of the people involved in the hobby now won't be around 10, 15, 20 years from now. How can we expect the collectors of tomorrow to continue the hobby if we don't mark repro and fantasy pieces?
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There is no reason not to date any new/fantasy collectible.
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I agree 100% Bob,the sad thing is years ago some members of the quad AAAA advertising asociation aproached their gongress men on getting a bill passed for just that.Well you know as well as I it got NO consideration because it didn't mean anything to them or they didn't get their pockets full ! Another thing that is sad is alot of the reproductions are put onto signs,clocks etc from pics that are taken from the originals,and if they are dated that date ends up on the repo.
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Look at the Coke Hobby... many repops there and new people are affraid to collect coke items because of it.
If it's a repop it should be marked period. 10 or 20 years for now some new guy wants to buy a sign or globe he would know for sure then if it original or repop.
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I'm not disagreeing with most of the sentiments expressed here about labeling repops.
But....let's be fair, most repops are done with the intention of looking like the original.
It's obvious these neon globes are not done in such a manner to try and fool anybody.
Even 20 years down the road if you can't tell these globes were constructed with materials not even available in the 50's I would question your sanity at even getting into collectables.
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I think what some are refering to as the issue here is, that most of the components of this globe can be changed to old components IE: standoffs,housings transformers,lenses & 20 years down the road it would be difficult to tell the difference unless marked in some way or if you are an expert & i am sure that even if they are marked they can be altered, covered up etc..........its just like all the bogus clocks out there that are not marked..take an old body & marry it with a new unmarked face & you have a clock that most can't tell if its new or old....
now people who have a rare valuable original such as this neon body most likely will see the value fall, do to the same reasons for the drop in value of clocks,the value fell because are so many unmarked repos.....
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I'm not disagreeing with most of the sentiments expressed here about labeling repops.
But....let's be fair, most repops are done with the intention of looking like the original.
It's obvious these neon globes are not done in such a manner to try and fool anybody.
Even 20 years down the road if you can't tell these globes were constructed with materials not even available in the 50's I would question your sanity at even getting into collectables. Many, if not most in the hobby now, won't be in the hobby in 20 years. Like I said, I'm not worried about anyone getting fooled now. I'm worried about the future. We see the problem on ebay all the time..... my grandpa had this 12" sign in his barn for twenty years so it must be original. Everyone blames the sellers for being dishonest. Some may be, but others just don't know. The real problem is unmarked reproductions.
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Old Racer,
What are these selling for? Do you have to supply a body or does the price include a repop body?
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You know that these are a fantasy item right. How would you like to see them marked? They are make from repo bodys that are not marked oh no. We all still buy repo bodies and they are not marked I think they should start plasma cutting the word reproduction on the body starting at one side of the base and ending at the other side of the base. If the letters were big they may let out enough light that you would not need the neon. This has more to do with who made them than what they are.
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Ward these are not a fantasy idem. The one I posted a pic of is a original one not fantasy. It has a original tag on it stating the manufacture.
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No i did not know these were a fantasy piece....after reading an earlier post by gasoildude i just fiqured there was an original...I know there was one with neon on the inside to illuminate the lenses but have never seen one with neon like this...as far as marking them, i think its rather fruitless unless you can fiqure out a way where they can't alter or hide the marking....
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Ok I give.Did I missed something somewhere?How much are these going to be?
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The maker of any repo/fantasy item that does Not Date the item doesn't care what happens to this hobby tomorrow or many years down the road.
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The metal bodies were differant than the originals at one time but somebody decided they looked to fake so they fine tuned the things so now they look just like the originals. I am with Dick... any one who makes repo/fantasy item and does not date the item doesn't care what happens to this hobby today or many years down the road. Repop glass bodies are the same way... no way to tell.
I don't want people to think everyone on this site is against repops. That's not the case, everyone just wantsd to see it marked.
roadrelics that is a little extreme on marking as a repop but that would be fine with me. LOL
Price anyone? Just wondering what they cost. Roadracer... your buying one what are they running?
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Hey Jarvis please don't mix up what i said with ward zaharia... It was ward zaharia's idea to plasma cut all the way around the body (reproduction) & i think it was a joke..HA HA...
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I think the way to go is to run the letters in the word reproduction in a large block letters around the body the same way as the neon. If they did this I do not think that you would need the neon they would let a lot of light out.
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All this Repro talk has me fired up again, I am sick of this hobby, I have been stripping my walls, loading my trailer and I am going on a road trip. Selling everything! I think I'll start collecting Pez dispensers, or are those repopped too
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First off, why is this on For Sale? If you want to know how much they cost, why not ask D.Buck? Mine was free. As for the rest, like I said, it's pretty simple. I'm not a big collector. I just have some Gas & Oil stuff I keep because I grew up with it. I do have some original metal bodies and I have some Slama bodies. I think it's easy to see which is which. As for swapping out components to make it look old. Come on really. Where do I get them? From an original body? I want one or more for the display of the couple of lenses I have. I would even consider having a few more made locally, if I can. I see no reason why they can’t be dated. Did anyone ask Buck? Did he say no? I don’t think he would have a problem with it. But I am not Buck.
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i understand the concept Ward, however i did not want to take credit for your idea...
oldracer...."come on really ? where do you get the old components??" try from old 1930's 40's .signs, clocks, neon displays, which would have used the same exact components as the neon bodies, except the lenses....as i said before, the standoffs, housings, transformers, wiring would all be the same if they came from a sign, clock, globe body, neon display...do you think they made special components for these bodies???
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Price anyone? Just wondering what they cost. Roadracer... your buying one what are they running? [/quote] John, it's OLD RACER. Not Roadracer. Those guys don't go fast enough. Hey that's a whole new discussion. Road race fans on one side and Drag race fans on the other.
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Price anyone? Just wondering what they cost. Roadracer... your buying one what are they running?
John, it's OLD RACER. Not Roadracer. Those guys don't go fast enough. Hey that's a whole new discussion. Road race fans on one side and Drag race fans on the other. [/quote] Don't forget about circle track racers!
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Oops! See how that happens?? That's how wars start. Sorry I forgot to mention NASCAR, dirt track and ........  Come on guys lighten up.
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QUESTIONS....IF THESE ARE FOR SALE IN THE "FOR SALE" SECTION....
A....HOW COME NO PRICE WAS POSTED?
B....HOW COME DWAINE BUCK DIDN'T POST THE AD?
C...WHY WASN'T THIS POSTED IN SHOWCASE? SEEMS MORE LIKE A SHOWOFF THING
THAN A FOR SALE THING.
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It was posted in show case but was moved. Buck did not post the ad because he was banned from here years ago. No price because it was not offered for sale it was in show case.
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I'm going back out to the shop.
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"I see no reason why they can’t be dated. Did anyone ask Buck? Did he say no? I don’t think he would have a problem with it. But I am not Buck"
Give me a break!!!!
Unless you have something to hide, or have a total lack of integrity, DATE ALL REPROS!
That ought to get 'em going!
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Just an opinion on repops driving down the value/price of RARE original pieces. It's not going to happen. The guys with the most money and the largest egos are always going to be willing to pay more to be able to say (and to know) they have the real item (and to brag about what they paid for it) while the unwashed masses can only have the "cheap fakes".
Has the existance of nine million fake Cobras made a real one even remotely affordable?
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Sorry i got all confussed with old racer and road racer... my fault. Roadrelics... i see were i got confussed. LOL
This post has gotten to be pretty funny really.
I think everyone has gotten there point across and it's time to let it die.
They look nice and if anyone needs to buy one e-mail Matt and he can get you Dwaine's e-mail since he knows Dwaine.
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Ok before this goes any farther let me please state this. I respect EVERYONE'S opinion here that is what makes this hobby fun or a little heated at times. But anyway the one I posted was purchased at the auction for the petro museum in Bloomington IL. Below is the original factory tag that is on the body. Now as for the repo ones that Dwayne is making people are just asking them to be marked in some way for people in the FUTURE to know that they are a reproduction idem. It could be marked on the inside of the body somehow that way it dont take away from the piece. We do not need to bash each other about this it solves nothing & keep things going. Everyone here can see the ripple effect that unmarked signs,globes & cans have done to the hobby. Look at Ebay that is the perfect example of repops being pushed as originals. So if there are any questions about the idem or idems being made ask the person making them & not by bashing each other about it. That solves nothing! So lets all just get along please Just My Two Cents Worth. Thanks Brad 
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"Just an opinion on repops driving down the value/price of RARE original pieces. It's not going to happen. The guys with the most money and the largest egos are always going to be willing to pay more to be able to say (and to know) they have the real item (and to brag about what they paid for it) while the unwashed masses can only have the "cheap fakes".
Has the existance of nine million fake Cobras made a real one even remotely affordable?"
Hey J.J. not everyone has given their opinion yet! Dave, I dont know how to get those quotes in that little box but Im guessing you didn't have a collection of backlit ad clocks previous to about 1994. I did. Now I'm not saying I had anything "rare" but i still took a hard hit when those repro faces flooded the scene. In my opinion any copy or knockoff should be marked as such. I'm by no stretch of the imagination a "guy with the most money". But I like original items and have on more than one occasion been extremely bummed when i discovered I got shafted with a phony sold with the intention to deceive or the fact it was "newer" being omitted. Any collector that stands up for unmarked repops is standing on shaky grounds as far as I can see.
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It was posted in show case but was moved. Buck did not post the ad because he was banned from here years ago. No price because it was not offered for sale it was in show case.
ward THANKS FOR CLEARING THAT UP. I WAS NOT AWARE ON BOTH CASES.
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well its good to be home!!
Looking for gas,oil related clocks,especially neon and spinners .clock repair available. Mick
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WOW 
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"Just an opinion on repops driving down the value/price of RARE original pieces. It's not going to happen. The guys with the most money and the largest egos are always going to be willing to pay more to be able to say (and to know) they have the real item (and to brag about what they paid for it) while the unwashed masses can only have the "cheap fakes".
Has the existance of nine million fake Cobras made a real one even remotely affordable?"
Hey J.J. not everyone has given their opinion yet! Dave, I dont know how to get those quotes in that little box but Im guessing you didn't have a collection of backlit ad clocks previous to about 1994. I did. Now I'm not saying I had anything "rare" but i still took a hard hit when those repro faces flooded the scene. In my opinion any copy or knockoff should be marked as such. I'm by no stretch of the imagination a "guy with the most money". But I like original items and have on more than one occasion been extremely bummed when i discovered I got shafted with a phony sold with the intention to deceive or the fact it was "newer" being omitted. Any collector that stands up for unmarked repops is standing on shaky grounds as far as I can see. If you'll notice the word RARE was in all caps. If you'll re-read I only addressed the issue of repops driving down the value of RARE items. The context of the position I was replying to (if I'm not mistaken) did not differentiate marked or unmarked, so that arguement is not on the table in my reply. If you are inferring that my stated arguement supports unmarked repops , then you might want to re-reread, I stated nothing on that subject one way or another.
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Many, if not most in the hobby now, won't be in the hobby in 20 years.
At 30 years old I would hope im still in the hobby in 20 years and with a bit of luck hopefully in 50 !!
CHEERS, FROM RIK IN NEW ZEALAND
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I am with you Bowser, I am 38 and still hope to be buying at 58. LOL These old guys are the ones that won't be around. LOL Just kidding... 60 isn't old. It was many years ago but as i get older 60 isn't old.
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