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JUST PURCHASED THIS WAYNE 60 AS A RESTORATION PROJECT.IS IT A SHOWCASE,DISPLAY PUMP?ALL THE PUMP,MOTOR,ETC.IS IN THE VERY BOTTOM AND HAS A PLACE FOR A SHELF OR PLATE ABOVE ALL THE MECHANICAL PUMP PARTS.THE PUMP AND MOTOR APPEARS TO BE COMPLETE.THERE ARE NO INSIDE SIDE PANELS OR SHELF'S.ALL OF THE SWITCH ROD,CONDUIT,PIPES,ETC.RUN DOWN THE OUTSIDE EDGES.THE CENTER APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY OPEN WITH ONLY A ROD FROM THE PUMP TO THE COMPUTER RIGHT UP THE CENTER.I DO NOT SEE A PLACE FOR ANY LIGHT SOCKETS IN THE LOWER PART THAT WOULD HAVE LIT THE SHOWCASE.IT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHERS I REMEMBER SEEING.IT WAS BRANDED MARATHON.ANY INFO?THANKS.MARK

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Travis
Topeka, Kansas

...I'd keep the 'guts' in this one...so many 'showcase' Wayne 60's ain't...nice find...

Nice pump! I agree - I'd clean up the "guts" and put them right back in.

Wes

What!! Leave the guts in for identification?? There are other ways to tell! The light manifold is the easiest way and its very unique to the showcase pump! It actually has another outlet on the back of the manifold for a pipe to come downwards to just above the showcase area! There are actually 2 lights that come down to the showcase area and its IMPOSSIBLE to do with a regular Wayne 60 light manifold without making a mess out of it! Unless you have some pristine internals and actually intend to use the pump one day, the extra weight is ridiculous!
You can also tell by the way the gas discharge pipe is routed and the veeder root will have a very unique gear reduction device on the bottom that offsets the drive shaft in order to meet the pump below!
Theres probably quite a few 60's that were made into showcases but its very easy to find the fakes!!---KEVIN

A pump without the guts is like a car without an engine!! Leave em' in. Kent.

KW,I DON'T SEE WHERE THE OTHER PIPE WOULD HAVE COME OUT OF THE LIGHT MANIFOLD TO LIGHT THE SHOWCASE.THERE IS A PLUG IN THE TOP OF THE MANIFOLD WHERE I ASSUME THE GLOBE LIGHT WOULD ATTACH.DOES EVERYTHING LOOK CORRECT IN THE PICTURES FOR A SHOWCASE PUMP?WOULD THEY HAVE USED THIS TYPE OF PUMP,MOTOR SETUP IF IT WAS NOT A SHOWCASE PUMP?THANKS.MARK

Do what ever you want! Its a 60. Is there an ID tag? Again its yours. If its me, why keep the pump. Maybe you like the weight and smell. I'm just sayin'

Larry

GENTLEMEN,MY QUESTION IS NOT SHOULD I REMOVE OR KEEP THE GUTS,PUMP,MOTOR IN IT.MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS DEFINITELY A DISPLAY SHOWCASE PUMP?I AM SURE SOME OF YOU KNOW FOR SURE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.THANKS AGAIN.MARK

YES it was.

The pump and all the piping indicate that its a showcase pump! Possibly the light manifold was changed out at some time in its history? Is the Veeder Root in it?
Another way to tell is to look at the bottom edge of the front face cover, as a showcase pump would have a small curved metal piece attached that would serve as a back stop for the lower door.
I'll go out to the shop and see if I can get a pic of the light manifold without having to take my pump apart!---KEVIN

Mark the bottom end and the legs are correct for a show case pump. Take the face housing and face off the meter and take some pictures of the top end so we can see if it is correct. Richard

The computer should have a gear train like this on the bottom

OK GANG!! Heres 4 photos that show things that are incidental to the showcase pump!
Photo #1 is the bottom of the face plate cover showing the little flange that acts as a stop for the showcase door!

Photo #2 is the light manifold showing the extra pipe coming off the front and going across the pump and down below the computer to illuminate the showcase!

Photo #3 is the back of the light manifold, showing the electrical IN tube thats closest and the tube that comes out the back, directly behind the farthest light socket and it travels directly downward to just below the computer to illuminate the showcase from the other side!

Last but not least is a photo showing the position of these 2 bulbs below the Veeder Root, that are used to illuminate the showcase!!!


The gear reduction system that Joe has pictured is the correct one and is exclusive to the showcase pump as it moves the input shaft a couple inches and also changes the gearing! I hope that this helps everyone in the future for identification!!!---KEVIN
PS--How do you like my Dick Bennett decal that gives the settings??

I have had 8 or 9 of these showcase pumps and they all had an extra indentation in the frame rail near the bottom of the face bezel...you can see this in the bottom picture posted by K W Frith on the right side just below the screw hole that you see for the face bezel.

Just my experience with these pumps.

Kevin

I also have a 60 in my garage right now that has the pump and motor mounted down low and has the shelf brackets like the pump in question, but I don't think it was ever a showcase pump and does not have the correct lighting set-up for a showcase either. Another interesting fact about it is that it was stamped 60S and then the S was clearly overstamped with a C. Maybe a change order when it was still on the line?? Maybe I have raised more questions here than I have answered.

Kevin

What is the purpose of the extra indentation ?

GREAT INFORMATION.THE PUMP DOES HAVE THE CORRECT GEAR DRIVE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE VR.ALSO HAS THE INDENTATIONS IN THE FRAME RAILS.THE LIGHT MANIFOLD IS NOT SET UP FOR THE EXTRA LIGHTS.THE FACE BEZELS HAVE A FLAT FLANGE,NOT CURVED.I WILL POST A FEW MORE PICTURES WHEN IT STOPS RAINING.THANKS FOR ALL THE INTERESTING INFO ON THE PUMP.MARK

That Decal Looks Great!! It is the Details like that, that puts the Restoration over the Top!!! Lets see some pictures of the Rest of the Pump Kevin.

...sigh...here we go again - I guess everyone who has gutted their pumps over the years would be against a trend in the hobby to keep guts in an unusual pump, for obvious reason$$$$...

...the point I tried to make was that it appears to me that original Wayne 60 display pumps will become MORE valuable as time goes on, relative to converted Wayne 60's...sometimes it seems like every other person who gets a Wayne 60 wants to make a Polly Gas display pump out of it and/or put a fake clock in it (and paint it twelve shades of green with black trim, but that's another topic entirely)...

...the 'gutless' crowd argues that 'you can't see the guts, you don't open the door up to show the guts, why have them in there...they smell bad and I can't be bothered to restore them as well, besides I have to move my pumps every ten years and they're heavy'...none of the photos KW provided show anything that's visible when the pump door is closed, yet there's an awful lot of stuff that was restored that won't be seen unless the pump cabinet is opened up...can you imagine a car at a museum that had everything restored, but had the engine taken out because it smelled like gas and was heavy?

'Look how nice the paint on the firewall is!'

"Yes, but where's the engine?'

'Oh, we scrapped that because it was heavy and smelled like gas.'

YES- more pics please. That resto looks very nice! ... DB's decal looks pretty good too.

As for keeping the guts/removing the guts- what percentage of restored pumps have everything restored and are actually used to pump gas again.... less than 1%?. Whereas a restored auto is usually restored to be driven and needs an engine to do so. Sorry, never understood that argument. I gutted my 60 (the lone pump I own) for the weight issue but I appreciate those who keep everything intact and restore it all back into full working condition. I do regret scraping all the guts as I now would like to restore it back into working condition. Oh well, there's incentive for me to buy another.