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Whats the most up to date can book? #1857
Tue Dec 06 2005 06:12 PM
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I would like some opinions. What is the most up to date book on oil can prices? In your opinion. I know cans went up then down etc. What do you think? Larry


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Re: Whats the most up to date can book? #1858
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I think that American Oil Can Volume 1 by Tom and Susan Allen is the best can book out there and gives very honest (opinions) of values of cans. I don't like that it omitted many major brands so they could include them in volume two.
Anybody know if the Allens are going to do the 2nd Volume anytime?
Collecting Oil Cans by Miller is another one I have that I use a lot but you won't find any of the neat independent oil company cans that are so graphic like Jayhawk or Hudson.

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Re: Whats the most up to date can book? #1859
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I don't think the pricing is accurate in any of them but I prefer the Miller and Sonewald books over the Allen's book.


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Re: Whats the most up to date can book? #1860
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I AGREE WITH BOB ON HIS CHOICES. THERE'S TWO VOLUMES IN THE MILLER/SONEWALD SERIES...BIGGER PICTURES AND OFFERS MORE BRANDS AND VARIETY OF SIZES. 4 OUT OF 5 TIMES THE ALLEN BOOK WILL NOT HAVE WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR....STILL WAITING FOR VOLUME 2 AND HOPING NOT TO BE DISAPPOINTED!??

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Re: Whats the most up to date can book? #1861
Wed Dec 07 2005 05:46 AM
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Bob and Doc, I respectfully couldn't disagree with you guys any more.

The Allen book has the name of the can, company, colors of the can, material, era and value of each can for a total of 1100 pictures. This book is great for both beginning collectors and advanced collectors because it shows you how to date cans, grade cans and a short history of cans. Yes the pricing is a little off but what book isn't by the time it hits the shelves. Their will be more volumes of this book and a few majors will be covered in each volume.

As for the other book. I was taught if you can't say anything good about someone or in this case something, don't say anything at all. I will just say this. I put the book for sale on ebay the day I received it.

Doc, more brands than the Allen book, you have got to be kidding right.

All of this is just my opinion and Larry if you are looking for a quart can book than Allen's is the one if you are looking for various shapes and sizes maybe Miller's is the one. I know Allen's is sold in the oldgas bookstore and I'm not sure about Miller's.

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Re: Whats the most up to date can book? #1862
Wed Dec 07 2005 06:53 AM
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SCOTT, I'M 100% SURE OF YOUR OPINION ONLY FROM THE FACT THAT YOU ARE A TRIED AND TRUE QUART CAN COLLECTOR. I CAN SEE WHERE THE ALLEN BOOK IS GREAT FOR I.D'ING UNUSUAL CANS THAT SOME COLLECTORS LIKE YOURSELF GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO SEEK. HOWEVER, IT'S ONLY ABOUT QUARTS AND MANY OF THE COMMON CAN BRANDS ARE MISSING. GULF....SHELL....QUAKER STATE....CALSO/CHEVRON....AND OTHERS .....NOT IN THE ALLEN BOOK!
I HAVE TO REFER TO OTHER BOOKS FOR THIS INFO. I'VE HAD THE ALLEN BOOK FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND SOMEONE MENTIONED THAT VOLUME TWO WOULD BE 2 MORE YEARS IN THE WAITING. WHO'S TO SAY WHAT WAS MISSING IN THE FIRST BOOK WILL BE IN THE SECOND? I WAS JUST SAYING THAT THE MILLER BOOKS OFFERED ALOT OF VARIETY AND SIZES AND WHILE THEIR BOOKS DON'T SAY HOW MANY CANS ARE IN THEIR BOOKS, I'M SURE IT'S A PRETTY CLOSE RACE.

IF YOU WANT TO COLLECT QUARTS ONLY AND NOT HAVE THE WHOLE PICTURE FOR A WHILE...IT'S THE ALLEN'S BOOK.

IF YOU WANT TO COLLECT ANY OIL CANS NO MATTER WHAT BRAND SHAPE OR SIZE....IT'S THE MILLER/SONEWALD BOOKS.

TAKE YOUR PICK!

JMOHO!

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Re: Whats the most up to date can book? #1863
Wed Dec 07 2005 07:21 AM
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Hi- Im still using Ed Loves books-( these were the best avail for many years}- pricing is a little off but what book isnt-thanks Don

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Re: Whats the most up to date can book? #1864
Wed Dec 07 2005 08:43 AM
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Don, you still see the Love books for sale on ebay once in awhile.

I see your side of the argument Doc. If you guys look at your books as much as I do they are all a really good investment.

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Re: Whats the most up to date can book? #1865
Wed Dec 07 2005 10:04 AM
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I have been a huge can collector and I have said nothing. As Scott said if you have nothing nice to say about something or someone perhaps saying nothing is the best thing. Ted

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Re: Whats the most up to date can book? #1866
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Hmmm.....I'm looking at the part of my Miller and Sonewald books that describe how to grade cans, describe the different materials used, and tips on dating cans.
I do think the pricing is high on some of the cans, but others they are dead on. One of the things I really like about their books is they nail the date a can was first used rather than saying a can was from a certain decade.

No book is going to make everyone happy. They are just another tool for the collector to use. The Allen book is strictly quarts, the Miller/Sonewald book covers mostly quarts but other sizes of cans are covered too.
The more experienced collectors depend on price guides less than beginners, but no one knows it all. That's why its nice to have the books handy.
Don memtioned Ed Love's books. I believe that Miller and Sonewald own the rights to those books now. Not sure what they intend to do with them.


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Re: Whats the most up to date can book? #1867
Wed Dec 07 2005 12:44 PM
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I think that you guys are splitting hairs. I don't own the Allen book, but I have looked through it. My favorite book, by far, is the Miller, Stonewald can book. Mostly for the information in the beginning and, of course, I love to look at pictures. They have a section in the beginning for oil can grading, container type codes, known can companies, and date coding tips. There is also a section for cans with open dates. They cover all sizes of oil containers which is what I like.

I think that when you say that you won't say anything about anybody or anything, you have already expressed a negative opinion.

Just my opinion and I respect yours.
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Re: Whats the most up to date can book? #1868
Wed Dec 07 2005 02:59 PM
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Rex I still say nothing about all these can books and I'm surely not being negative. But I will say this, the pictures in all the above books are good stuff to look at. Ted

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Re: Whats the most up to date can book? #1869
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Your are right Rex. By me saying what I did it does express a negative opinion and I apoligize to those I have offended.

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Re: Whats the most up to date can book? #1870
Mon Dec 12 2005 04:04 PM
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Jim, Received my'American Oil Cans Book today. Thanks!! Scott thanks for your input and all the others also. Seems to be a good book and if anything the prices might be only a little lower on the cans I am looking at now. I would rather have it that way. I know I opened one of the pages of one of the other books in the old gas 'bookstore' and its price on a frontier can was more than double what they go for now. Anyway thanks again. Larry


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Re: Whats the most up to date can book? #1871
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..I like both books, but was disappointed when I got the Allen book and NO GULF!! How could any petro book be a Vol 1 and NO GULF??...


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