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This is sad that this ***** is even getting a bid.... ebay # 280691299140 1930's REPRODUCTION DOUBLE CLOCK FACE GAS PUMP

I am totally with you on this. Some good person may buy this and do it and someone may pass this on in years to come as an original. Matt is a good guy that I have purchased from, but this is just the thing that may go wrong. One showed up in Portland this spring, and I was told it was an original. Spent four hours looking for the booth and never found it.
Everyone told me that it was real until the owner found me the next day and told me he had a repro to sell. He was honest about it, but others just didn't know and that is how things get started.
Nice job, and hope that it goes to an honest person who will be honest with the next owner.
Just my thoughts.

wow 1900.00...I better make me one of them and put it on the bay quick

The castings are aluminum not orginal style cast iron (big weight difference) not to mention there are no moving or functional parts internally, piping, pumps and clock mechs etc. The center mounting hole on the base was deleted to not only to clean things up but to allow a "visiual" give away as was the center line on the mid-section between the 2 heads. Base to mid assy uses 4 3/4 inch pipes not 6 like the originals. It is not my intention to deceive anyone with the manufacture of this pump, I am just offering a replica of something that would otherwise not be easily acquired by some in the hobby/business just as the aftermarket suppliers offer in their catalogs (somehting for everyone). I would also hope that if a collector/buyer sets out to buy an item for any kind of serious money that they would do their homework first, that goes for pumps,signs,globes etc. I am positive this reply will not satisfy everyone but we all know what they say about opinions !

very well put Matt. good luck with it.

Matt is UP front about this pump, something that Glenn Thompson Wasn't w/ his Twin/Single Wayne 800's, Dayton 900's & other pumps & stuff that he Replicated. Glenn Begged me to barrow a Bowser 300 to split the head for recasting.

Well said DB, its pretty tough to mistake this pump for original, I wouldn't want one but there is no harm in what it is. That's why I like barn fresh, theres no mistaking pumps with guts and old paint!

I've got Something for you Lance,
It's Old,
Has Guts,
Shows Patina,
Just NOT Barn Fresh,
Younger than You!
BUT, I don't think I can convince HER to Move to BC!

I hope she doesn't visit this site. You'll never hear the end of it Dick !

LOL
Bet you miss yours too, Scott!

I think it's great the listing on ebay clearly states it's a repop.

However, if the item itself is not clearly marked it's no different than a sign or globe that isn't marked.

Lacie the sign maker on ebay is no different..his ads tell you the signs aren't real, years up the road though unsuspecting buyers are going to get ripped off just the same.

Responsility always falls on the buyer to do his homework, but I will never understand people not clearly marking their repops.

I'd be more than willing to mark this as a reproduction, how would you/anyone suggest I do it ?

There is NO good permanent way w/o destroying the looks of a finished pump.
When bases/castings are Repoped w/ alum. instead of Iron like originally done, to me that is a CLEAR indication that it is a Repo. NO NEED to mark it any other way.

Why not just stamp the year of manufacture somewhere on a base casting. Make it small enough that it doesn't distract from the pump. Sounds like you are an honest manufacturer that wants to help the hobby.

It cracks me up that when convenient (depending on the item or who's doing it) people flip flop on this issue. If THEY can tell the difference it must be okay not to mark it.

And you don't think a little filler/paint won't fill in the stamping?
Can't Please everyone All the time & SOME can never be Pleased.
Just a Flip FLOPPER

What’s sad about it? It was clearly made to show it was a reproduction. I'm new as they come to Petroleum collectibles and I could see it was a repop. I'm a huge fan of that style, If someone cant afford to lay out $10K or more for an original, what's wrong with getting a repop. I don’t think any one will ever confuse that with the real thing.
Same as a repop sign, you want to display one and cant afford an original you buy a repop and enjoy it.

In looking at the listing, it is listed honestly as a reproduction piece. I have no idea what you guys are getting upset about? If you don't like it fine but you should not be offended. Old saying.....If you can't say anything good......then say nothing....That is the case here.....in my opinion. Personally, I applaud a listing on Ebay that is truthful. Paul www.severngaspumps.com

??? Boy....I've looked at the pictures and it sure looks dead on, same as original to me. Other than the unpainted aluminum that will look exactly like the original cast iron once painted. What is so blatantly -- at a glance repo with this pump? If those obvious poorly done signs on Ebay fool people every day....why can't this carefully crafted replica pump?

Jim

Before anyone calls this pump "****" lets see them make something of this quality before they open their mouths. Seems every one in this hobby wants a "safety net" so they don't get ripped off ..... Just a hunch but I'm sure the seller and old gas member has quite alot of time and $ invested in the planning and fabricating of this piece.
Experience is the only saftey net there is...

And when you think about it if this was ever passed off as an original which would sell for 10-15K I would surely think the advanced collector who would lay out that kind of cash could tell in a heartbeat real from repop....
If they don't.... well they are just some rich person with too much money anyways.

Also a magnet would tell the tail on repop bases and housings....

Lastly~ Nicely done Mattthegasman

2 Cents worth from the Garage-a-gogo

Garage-a-gogo "PERFECT"

Mattthegasman First of all, that's one cool pump!!!!
If I had your talent, I would have one in my back yard.

When I said "I don’t think anyone will ever confuse that with the real thing".
I was *NOT* refering to the quality of the build, by no means!

To me that pump is a work of art, once again great job.

Nice pump, But all the same things were said about re-pop signs and globes years ago. THEY ARE A PROBLEM NOW AND IT WILL ONLY GET WORSE IN THE FUTURE, As collectors we should be preserving originals and protecting our collections, not making more ***** that will further ruin this hobby for years to come.

Garage-a-gogo... I couldn't say it better myself.

Well now we have three more repros of the Bennett double available on ebay. WHY WOULD I CARE? I am doing a original right now with another in the works for a customer. Lets just devalue more of the things we collect so that people will just question values we put on originals. None working pumps? who cares, we do not pump gas with the old ones now !
I do not care if anyone agrees with me on this, for I have seen what repros do to many other big neon signs, old double headed display pumps as Dick has refered to, and globes.
Yes, its aluminum, but a big collector here got one of the repro pump and didn't know till alot later because it was restored.
We are not all as good as some of the old gas guys on here at spotting fakes.

Well said Craig, A couple repro parts to finish a pump is one thing. To reproduce an entire pump is all about the Money and NOTHING to do with being a true collector and preserving collectibles. It is just another Jab into the heart of the Gas and Oil hobby

I'm just hurt he didn't put my working "fake" clocks in it....WAH

Hello old gassers.... Ok my apologies to the guy that made this pump as I did not mean to say the pump was a piece of garbage its not! It is a nice piece of work.... What I meant to say if guys are going to start reproducing old pumps it is going to be sad for the hobby? My opinion is this is a hobby not a business except for the guys making pump parts for a restoration.....and yes I have some very rare pumps...... thanks Dan

There are not as many Repo pumps as there are Dummy Clock Face Conversions W/O the clock mech. [Wayne 60 to 866, Tok 36B to 36B-DP, etc] & most are Obvious by not changing to the correct reset knob & placement of such [the 36B-DP reset is NOT the same as a VR pump!].
Several Large collections have at least 1 IF not several Dummy Clock Face pumps.
When these Dummy pumps are sold the auctioneer ain't gonna say [if he knows] it's a FANTASY PUMP.

Might be interesting [& Surprising] to know how many Clock Conversions that the vendors have sold!

Good point, but they are not a totally remade pump. Lets just say that someone will reproduce the entire roman pump in which was done years ago by Bob Bardwell and then sold complete on ebay or where ever. You think that this would make all the people who prize there Romans happy? How about the guy or who ever just paid alot of money for the Texaco sign that was just put on here, how happy he would be if someone just made up about 10 or so and started selling them unmarked. In my opinion just a mistake this time around.
Like the pedal car hobby, look what happened to them in the last 8 years.
We collect and move up with things to enjoy and hope that our investment does not go down.

They remake the Tokheim 850 and it didn't hurt the value one bit, same with the 36B, Wayne 615, Wayne 800 and other pumps. If Andy at Gas Pump Heaven would of made this pump it wouldn't even be brought up here.

It's not going to hurt the twin Bennett's at all......

It's the wave of the future, you don't have to like it but more and more pumps are going to be reproduced and guess what, there NOT going to ask your permission!


BL

Great attitude !! Would not like it if they were reproduced and if you had some originals you would not like it either. When asking about how many people are coming into the hobby and how many collectors are out there, its great to know that my likes and investments will not maybe be there in the future.
Lets just reproduce it all so that some of us can just move along to other things to collect.
Globes, lenses, porcelain, look to see what new collectors are saying and how they shy away because of not knowing. The pumps you mentioned are not exactly like the originals in some respects, this pump is.
To be more honest, I was asked to let this collector use my parts for the reproduction and I just didn't do it for the reason that I have stated so many times. I thought that he wanted JUST ONE for himself. Guess I was wrong. Let me say further that I like The person who has done this and had dealings with him and he has helped me alot.
I just believe that this was an error.

REAL Collectors collect REAL Vintage Items.
All the WANNABEES can have the fake stuff, Maybe someday Walmarts will even carry all that pretty fantasy Junk

I don't like being a new collector and having to be careful of repops. On the other hand, it's the USA, land of the free. As long as the manufacturer is not infringing on a copyright, and as long as the seller is not false advertising, it's legal.

If someone is selling repops and says outright that they are repops, let em earn a living. Those who aren't collectors and are just looking for a few signs for their garage or mancave will be happy buyers of the advertised repops.

What really rubs me wrong are the sellers who use borderline-shady wording to draw people into believing something is vintage / original. Once the buyer figures out they paid way too much, the seller can argue and say I never actually said it was an original, just "looked vintage". If it's a repop, say it! It will still sell, and the buyer will know what they are getting, with less chance of negative feedback or recourse to the seller. Just my 2 cents.

When you would buy anything classic, like a car, its up to you to check it out. We wish all the sellers were upfront, but some are not. Its the American way to make a living, however you see fit.
Not all will see eye to eye, but its better than paying for wellfare !
Just have fun !

Craig, I did NOT ask you or anyone else to use their pieces to copy or recast from, I asked you for measurements only. I wanted to compare them to several incomplete repop units that I took in on trade a couple of years ago to see how accurate they were. I am not the first person to attempt to reproduce this model of pump, I have been in alot of collections and I am still amazed at what people have "made", there is even a guy who will recast in cast iron (just like the originals) for you if you have an original to cast off of but of course thats a whole different story for the flip floppers. Finally ,The first complete pump that was made by me and my patterns was just sold last week, any others out there did not come from my patterns. Matt