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Don't laugh...Was there ever a Guaranteed Measure globe or was it just ad hype for all those Fry pump ads in the Saturday Evening Post? It would be a cool globe if done correctly. Dave

I use to own one it was punched metal and very cool.

Thanks for the reply.
Any photographs of it ?
Dave

I had the same thought and have been looking everywhere for one. In my search I came across this globe.

Thanks, Mark

Well...let's see if this group of Petromobilia Professionals can come up with ANY info of this "mythic globe"?
Any takers;
WHO HAS ACTUALLY SEEN OR KNOWS FOR A FACT THAT THIS GLOBE DOES OR DOES NOT EXIST?
Thanks you in advance for your time...
Dave

I have one at home. It definitely does exist. It has punched metal "lenses" and looks like it was originally a green background with cream lettering around the punches. If I get a chance I'll take a pic. and post it.

Thanks for the quick response. Let me know what I owe you...
Dave

In the Pink [2nd] globe book, it has a pic of 2 Guaranteed Measure globes, 1 is a Chimney Cap & other is all glass.
Also pic'd is a GUARANTEE VISIBLE Chimney Cap.

LOL I thought that I had enough books...I guess that I am wrong again!Thanks Mr. Bennett.
Now we have three "versions".
How about an actual photograph ?
Dave

Am not a globe person, but the GLM company was partialy owned by Mr. Fry, who owned a glass company that made all the cylinders used on these pump (that is why he invested in the company when it was started). So it is very likely that they also made some globes.
But, the 1917 GLM catalog I have shows two globes "GUARANTEE VISIBLE" AND "VISIBLE GASOLINE" but nowhere does it state that these globe are available for sale as an accessory (other items are offered). Both of these globes are Chimney Cap globes.

Not trying to prove anything, just adding to the contriversy.

Jack Sim

Hello Mr. Sim,
I appreciate your time. As a collector/historian/archivist you are an invaluable source of information.
I am going to create(for my own use only) a "fantasy" globe for one of the pumps in my yard. I would appreciate it if you would take a look at it and critique(tweek) it for me when I am ready to paint.
Sincerely,
Dave Jones

i went to that hardware store that the american pickers went to in newberry SC and he had a punched metal one. if you can find that episode online im pretty sure it shows it in the background. he had it on display rather in the main part of the store.

Mr. Sim,
Here is just a rough drawing done on the computer. How about black letters on frosted lens? Any ideas ? color? font style? additional wording? I am using this on a 15 inch globe on an outside pump.
Dave

"rough" globe lens design

I have plans to do several Pump Company globes, there were some pretty cool globes shown on company literature, if there is enough interest I'll start out with these. Let me know and I'll go through my literature and draft a design.

I would be in for 1 or 2....

I would buy a Guarantee Measure Globe and possibly more depending on the pump manufacturer..............have Rush model H that needs a globe.

Thanks

That looks like a nice start.

Hey Dave, The G in Gasoline looks like it was Almost copied from the Gasoline looking globe that G&B offered w/ a new visible.

Dicks right, looks too much like the G & B globe.

Lance, I'd like a set.

Don't like to be answer questions like that, too many guys have found something wrong with my opinions.

Pogo, remind me when you began making these globes and I will supply you copies of the two globes shown in 1917 Guarantee Liquid Measure catalog.

Jack Sim

Jack, sent you an email, thanks for the offer!

Hey if it weren't for Me, You & a few others, the rest wouldn't have much to B***H about here!
Don't let it bother ya Jack.
Always Easier to find Fault w/ others.

Here's the one I have. Not much original paint, but as I said before, it had green lenses w/ white outline around the punched letters.

A close-up...

Now thats a globe. No computor generated letters there. Reproduce that one for $185. You just cannot beat the originals. That would look good an any visable. JMHO Mitch

"Honest discussion is the currency of Democracy"
Show me the "fix". I am open to suggestions. I just used a font in Print Shop called Annual Extended Bold and warped it inside a circle. I shortened the two parts of the "G" in order to get "asoline" inside the G. It is rough just to get a direction. The finished product would be "clean". Am I on the right track ? Two steps forward and one step backward is still progress. It does look like I generated some interest...I appreciate the feedback from all of you...
Dave

Thanks for the pictures!
Are they "catseyes"? Way too cool.It might not be too difficult if you could locate of some of the "catseyes" and would be fun to give it a shot...but would be time consuming until you worked out the kinks.
Dave

How about spelling it "Gasolene?" In 1917 they were still using both spellings.

Jack Sim

I always liked that. It puts a time on it.Classy also.
Dave

I have probably over 1500 pieces of Gas Pump sales literature and not one of them states that the globe will be supplied with the pump. If the company had globes, they were listed as an accessory, and could be ordered. The only company that I can remember that showed a globe in one of their brochures and offered it for sale was Bowser. It was an all metal globe with holes in it.
Personally, I believe that most of the globes you see on pumps in sales brochures, were used by the pump companies only, if they were ever real. Remember, 99.9% of the pictures in my books were taken from original factory brochures, and all the pumps were drawn by artists who worked or were under contract of the pump companies.
I have over 100 photos from the Bennett Pump Co. that are of the original drawings, and I also have a number of the original drawing that were prepared for use in the brochures, they just drew a globe on top of the pump.

Pumps were sold two different ways, directly by the pump company and second, by service station equipment warehouses. If Sinclair purchased 100 Bennett pumps, Bennett did not supply the globes, they were purchaed by Sinclair probably from Cincinnati Advertising.
The pump that were inventory in the equipment warehouses were just that, red pump in crates, waiting for the mom & pop station to order a pump. Again, no globe, because, who knew what oil company the station was going to purchase their gasoline from, and that oil company usually supplied the station with the globe.

Jack Sim

I have read in original brochures that a globe would be supplied for an extra $10 charge.

37 hits, but no one is running with it. The plot thickens with Mr. Sims and Mr. Bennett's input. Perhaps there never was a Guaranteed Measure globe produced by same company? Was the one depicted in company literature merely an illustrator's drawing? What about the chimney top globe and punched tin globe? Was the latter a "fabrication" of some small company that merely produced some lenses(probably cheaply) to use in a metal frame? What do you "know" or believe? Please share it with us here? Thanks, Dave

Just took a good look at the pictures posted by petropumps. The globe says "Guaranteed."
The company we are talking about is "Guarantee."

Jack Sim

I thought this same thing when I got that globe, but every single original ad I've seen for Guarantee pumps picture the "Guaranteed" globe. I believe they were available from the pump manufacturer myself, but couldn't say that for sure.

someone mentioned these cost about $10.00 and 1917 was the date used in this article. Based on that I went to a "Time Value" of money and that $10 globe would cost $168.50 in 2010. Ok, I will buy an origianl for $168.50...LOL

Bear in mind also Alex that a New Mae West/Wayne/etc visible sold for approx. $150.00-200.00 + freight. Pump companies also for a small extra charge would paint the pump any color to suit the customers.

So what are gonna do Dave ? ;;;;;;;;;;Ron

Hello,
This thing is coming together with everyone's input...realizing of course that you can't please everyone. Glass or tin ? "Creative liberty" or historical accuracy? I suggest we continue to brainstorm this thing while at the same time try to find the individual that reproduced them years ago(10 according to Greg Flatt). Think of it like an Easter Egg hunt.
Keep turning over those stones...and thanks to all! We are making progress.
Dave

WHO hides Easter Eggs Under Stones? Maybe in Jaw-ga ! LOL

I'm working on layouts, should have a couple to look at next week. If you have any information, pics or questions, just drop me an email. pogogas@telus.net

You got me there...while I have your attention...can you identify this item? I found it cemented in a pump island this afternoon in an old store ruin. I think that it is the base to a Wayne 515 or 615? Is it worth busting out and paying the owner $20.00?

615---Pay him and go get it.

KW is learning/remembering, yes 615/619.
What's to bust out? Snap the bolts off & go.

To Dick's point on value. A $200 pump in 1917 would cost $3369.00 today. wventh ough it is painted and working, don't feel bad when you have to shel out a couploe of thousand for an old Wayne 60...LOL

I have posted a new topic under For Sale regarding this globe http://www.oldgas.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=283868&#Post283868

To add to the mystery.

I just went through some more GLM literature I have and found a drawing titled "Installation of Equipment No. 17 and 117." The drawing shows the pump with the hand crank coming out of the base and it has the FRY sign attached to the pipe, so I would say it is from around 1925. There is a drawing of a globe, and the globe doesn't appear to be a all metal globe, but it does say "GUARANTEED MEASURE" not Guarantee. Also found some ads that show the word Guaranteed.

Jack Sim

Hello Jack,
Can you scan and post. I'd love to see it.
Thanks again,
Dave