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#284281 Thu Nov 10 2011 01:21 PM
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This scenario happened to me and I'm not sure how to deal with it. Would like some veteran input. Tue morn a man man lists a sign on c-list in southern part of this state. I quickly called the man and told him I wanted it, I'd be there at 5 o'clock to get it. Deal he said, it's yours come get it. At about 430 he calls and asks if I know a " Johnny", sure I said he's a buddy of mine just down the road a bit, why? The man tells me that johnny just called him and asked to buy the sign. The seller told Johnny it was already sold that a man from Grenada was on his way to pick it up, then Johnny says I know him Allen Brown, right? Seller says yeah how you know him? Johnny replies that, the last sign he bought from me he used a bunch of counterfeit money, and that Johnny was in the area and he'd swing by and buy the sign right now. No deal says the seller I told Allen it was his and he's on the way. Well needless to say I was ***** beyond the boiling point, I told seller thank you for letting me know and I'd be there in 30 min we could compare numbers on the phone because I had my buddy Johnny ( the real one on my phone). So I get there and get the sign loaded and now it's time to compare. I showed him johnnys number and it wasn't the same number as on his phone ( big relief) I say I'm gonna call this number and see who it is lying on me. Dial the number and when I press the last digit, it says call %#%**><, another old gasser who was on my contact list. Sorry for the long post, just needed to get it out and see what y'all think.

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Wow.


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It is no surprise, there is more backstabbing in this hobby than any other. At least you found out what kind of friend he was


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I think you should out him.

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Originally Posted By: gasmelincelr
I think you should out him.


Agreed. People like him is what makes any hobby unpleasant.

I got the tar and feathers ready and assembling a lynch mob. smile

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Not the right thing to do but people do strange things to make a buck...hence why you must keep you back up.


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It would be a very cold day indeed before I'd let someone accuse me of passing counterfeit money, and not do something about it legally. That's defamation, that's slander, that's serious stuff... at the end of the day, all one has is one's integrity...

Sucks that you know the guy, but I'd be on the phone to him pretty quick. Get it cleared up.


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But KZ it doesn't have to be that way with all collectors;only a few.Case in point:a good friend and I were about to get into it over a sign until his wife said "no sign is worth that".We are still very good friends and someone else has the sign.

Allen,my advice is to cull out other collectors (there will be more)until you can retreat into what I call "my comfort zone".Then,say nothing at all of consequence to anyone outside that zone of comfort because it will cost you something in the end;money,enjoyment of the hobby,peace of mind and so on.

It works for me;others may feel differently.

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No...you have to have a "face to face" and get closure or it will "hang around". Make it short and sweet...no arguing and have nothing more to do with him or her after that. Life is too short.
Stuff is stuff, but you have to call him on it(not on the phone). Integrity and character...like Silent Chief said. Oh yeah...advice is cheap. LOL Dave


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Although I wouldn't press legal charges,I would surprise him in person,(no phone call or email first),as you said he's local and ask him to explain himself for his actions.Listen to him & look at him to see if he really has it out for you,or instead if he turns 3 shades of red and is sincerely apologetic.
No need to post his name publically,as this is between you & him only,and posting his name will most likely squash any possible reconciliation you two may have,as well as give this hobby in general a bad name to any new comers who may sign on here & be turned away by this going public.

Nip this in the bud right now,and decide if he is friend or foe before it festers & gets uglier for both of you down the road.



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Face to face? Why? He knows what he did and doesn't care (otherwise he wouldn't have done it).
So you get F2F and he says "tough $#!*" - now what?
Even if he apologizes do you really think it's sincere or that he found the errors of his ways?
You don't need closer, you should let others know what kind of friend THEY may have in him.
"I" would be much too hot headed and not trust myself enough to go face to face now, so that would give me a great deal of satisfaction (without going to jail).

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legal action would be a waste of money. it's his word against the seller.

I'd confront, face to face, probably in public, definately not on his property. Take a tape recorder but check the laws in your state first.

Definately, face to face contront him. maybe wait a week or ten days so it's not fresh on his mind then get in his face. Watch his reaction as much as listen to his words.

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I have thought about all these things, especially the legal action and outing this person. That's not gonna solve anything, I did talk to a lawyer and he said it was pretty open and close case, I think that the best thing is this person is reading this post and knows that he's been caught, hopefully he's man enough to apologize one day as I'm sure our paths will cross again, let this be a lesson to all, before you slander someones name by falsely accusing them of something, make sure your phone number isn't in Thier contact list.

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You know the old saying fool me once !! All hobbies have things like this... Yes theres alot of competition... But for 99.9% of the time its just gut wrenching fun finding a new sign or pump....never let a few sour notes ruin the concert. I like the people in the hobby and after a 15 year hiatus,and going to the Columbus show this year I still love it.


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I am the kind of guy that will confront him and ask what the hell he is doing, get the other side of the story and go from there.


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Take the high road. Delete his number from your phone and simply walk away. Give people like that enough rope and they will hang themselves.

I see absolutely nothing positive coming from a confrontation. He actually did you a favor, now you know who and what he is. Sometimes that's enough.

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Originally Posted By: Ohio Oil
Take the high road. Delete his number from your phone and simply walk away. Give people like that enough rope and they will hang themselves.

I see absolutely nothing positive coming from a confrontation. He actually did you a favor, now you know who and what he is. Sometimes that's enough.


Very well said, He showed his true colors.


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Just to clear up some confusion, it was NOT Dave Ritchey that tried to screw me.

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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing".
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Irish orator, philosopher, & politician (1729 - 1797)


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Don't delete his number from your phone. Keep it just in case he calls you. His ID will show up on your screen along with his number so you will know who is calling before you answer.


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I think this is a case where it would be in your best interest to confront him and let him know that you're aware of his actions and want nothing to do with him, ever again. It will eat at him for the rest of his life and hopefully it makes a change in him. Remember, I said hopefully!
What a stand up guy the seller was! I'm impressed!


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Its frustrating I know, I'm in a similar albeit different predicament. I bought a pump from a fellow member, and paid almost double what it would normally bring because he assured me that it was barn fresh complete pump with factory paint and functioning and resetable clock mech, and that the parts I could not see were indeed there and would be shipped. I paid for it and let it sit at his place paid for for several months, I just got it only to find out it was repainted, the upper skins were flimsy hand bent repos, the clock mech came in kit form, part of which he bagged up before he shipped, and the rest fell apart as soon as I opended it up, and of couse the valve handle I didn't see wasn't there, and couldn't be because it didn't even have that option. I have tried contacting him twice and no response, I see he has been on the site since but has not posted, and this is a long time member. I won't out him, I am of the opinion the no debt in the universe ever goes unpaid, there is a perfect accounting system.


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If he's another Oldgas member wouldn't he now know that you know??

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That brings up a good point. "Veteran" status does not always guarantee character and integrity. One would think that being dishonest would cause one's eventual demise, but with a constant influx of "newbies" and being selective as to who you "pull one on", one can survive for quite a long time. This forum acts somewhat as a sounding board which may "ferret out" these scoundrels. Ebay uses a rating system which it has had to modify somewhat over the years to stop those that cannot be pleased from retribution attacks.Simplicity is a good this, but the bigger you get(members) the more issues pop up. This website may need(at some point) to institute a rating system.
David C.Rock-Ola(founder of the Rock-Ola jukebox Co.) said: "Keep it simple".
Enough talk...act and put it behind you. There is stuff to find out there. LOL
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lol, not in this hobby, kz, you are correct sir!!
Originally Posted By: KZ1000
It is no surprise, there is more backstabbing in this hobby than any other. At least you found out what kind of friend he was

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Take off the gloves and confront him head on!!!

What he did was back stabbing, dishonest, and slanderous toward two people. He lied about you, and tried to frame Johnny.


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Just post his # on here so we all can call him.......


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Is this guy an older or a new guy to hobby.....because some of us new guy are getting a bad rep.....so if its an older collector maybe us new guy arent as bad as the old guys


Cities service, Vickers, Gas and Auto neons, next exit/ ahead signs and now I'm getting into globes....

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OLD GUYS ??


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Ok one of the collectors that have been in the hobby for a long time.....didnt mean age


Cities service, Vickers, Gas and Auto neons, next exit/ ahead signs and now I'm getting into globes....

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Reputations, good or bad , are almost always, the result of one's behavior , In my opinion time in the hobby has little to do with anything . If you have a bad reputation it is something you brought on your self by screwing someone else and the wounds will never heal. and then every one will talk about you behind your back.
It's just the way it is in life.

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Eventually word will get who the guy is privately. No need to say the name on this website, but if anyone can figure out local to Grenada, Ms that narrows it down alot, say 100 miles either direction from there. Maybe a guy in Collierville, Tn....... NO, that would be me.....LOL...... Go the other direction,, say South....... or as Kid Rock would say......Jackson, Ms......... or close by................

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After vising a local collector "FRIEND", Couple days later calls up & says he wants his Wayne/MS 80 door back. Claims I Stole It & hangs up. I called back & tell him I have NO USE/NEED for the door. He seen me drive in & drive away, was w/ me all the time I was there, but claimed I must have returned to get the door!
I'm not the Only Local Collector that He claims has Stolen from him.
He also is a Member here!

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I think that I may have it...Brain damage from lead ingestion/absorption dealing with gas pumps all these years. All these "nut cases" should have their blood checked for lead and other toxins. You never know.


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something like that happened to me at an auction, I bought a nice large clock and they carried it to the back near the check out and i just happened to look back a few minutes later and see a guy trying to leave with it. Jumped up and ran for the door and he said he bought it, lady behind the window says he said we did not hear the bidder number right and it was his.I gently took it out of his hands and paid for it and told him he needed to get a refund


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Has anybody asked themselves whether or not the seller was telling the truth. Does anybody know him. Maybe the comment from the collector went something like this. You know you might as well sell this item to me because the other guys money is no good and I'm right here with the cash. The seller was honest by calling you but he was also confirming that you were coming to pickup the items and to make sure he imbelished the story a little bit. Just my thoughts. Mitch

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Well the caller used a name and location of someone that he and I both know, I had never seen or met the seller before, the seller and I had made the deal several hours earlier and he knew I was on the way already. Those are all pretty evident clues don't ya think.

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Originally Posted By: AllenBrown82
Just to clear up some confusion, it was NOT Dave Ritchey that tried to screw me.


Well, I appreciate the clarification. : ). Since I'm just now reading this, I'm obviously too slow to screw anybody, anyhow-I'm one of those getting older ones somebody referred to.

Greed must be a terrible disease to live with. There are a lot of things I want for myself, but I also have a good feeling when other people get what they can or want, even if it is much more than I can have. I envy (but am not jealous of) Jay Leno, but only because he is doing exactly what I would do if I were in his position.

And shortly after we die most of our widows are going to be trying to figure out the easiest and quickest way to dispose of all this anyhow.


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