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Agree!

I've dealt with him before and talked to him on more than a few occasions... I think you are jumping the gun on this one Dave. He is new to the hobby and isn't in the know like some of you. And so he left it on there and it sold. Did he get honest with the buyer??? Did he even accept payment? Do you know? I mean come on. If he did this one time it's one thing. If he did it weekly its another. Give a new guy a break. You learn something everyday and there is no reason to bash someone without knowing his true intentions. I'm usually a pretty good judge of character and he seems legit to me.

Once, the authenticity of the sign was brought into question. The auction should have been ended. That was the only right thing to do. Short of that, everything else is an excuse. People are judged for their actions...not their intentions.

Remorse after the fact, doesn't change the fact that a fake was sold as a real sign after being made aware. Ignorance is never a defense. Ignoring the obvious is never wise.

Some people aren't as smart nor wise as you Dave. And we don't hang people anymore here in the U.S. give the guy a chance. If I bought 20 things from you and you snuck in a fake and then Jim told me it was not real I wouldn't immediately call you a thief and a ***** and a fraud. I'd probably just slide it under my tool box and forget about it cause the fuss isn't worth the reward. Move on and enjoy the hobby.

I’ve had a passion for this hobby for a long time but am just now starting to collect higher end pieces and thanks GOD for this site because there are a lot of knowledgeable and HONEST people on here which is an invaluable resource for a newbie like me. I’m SHOCKED by how many fakes are identified on this site and the prices they bring on Ebay. I think the buyers have to except some of the responsibility too, but it does kind of turned me off from the hobby and I could see where it could really do harm to it if it continues at this pace. I’m not quitting, but I’m pretty leery..

I like to collect Standard oil and wanted to get a red crown sign but couldn’t tell what was what. Posted the question on oldgase and DWSheffer offered up some excellent information complete with pictures. Now when I’m browsing and I spot a fake I contact the individual just to express my opinion. If they didn’t know and remove it, great. If they think I can go F myself, so be it, but at least they know people are watching.

Today and ran across this sign: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Standard-White-Crown-Porcelain-Pump-Sign-1951-/160988261394 and I knew it was a repop so I contacted the seller. I haven’t receive a reply but again at least they know people are watching. I know a lot of others do this also and I encourage everyone to do it.

It also got me thinking that maybe if enough of us started complaining Ebay would staff someone like some of you veteran members on this site on their staff. There are plenty of true experts on this site and just maybe they would give them or the moderators the authority to VETO listing identified as fakes and listed as originals. Or at least provide a direct contact within Ebay itself that can end the listing. Just a thought.
That being said, I agree 100% with everything Dave said. I think there are times when honest mistakes are made but if it’s intentional there’s no excuse for it.

Agree!

Dave, you need to slow down. I doubt many people would stop an auction at the last minute because someone who they DON'T know tells them that they should. You don't know what has transpired since the auction ended. There is nothing wrong with selling a fake sign. They are bought and sold every day. Your problem is not knowing or telling that it is fake. Hopefully that was resolved between buyer and seller. Until this is known, I don't see why anyone would want to crucify him. I give up.

Gary,
Does that mean that your going to Finally Pay Up to the Agreed on price for parts that were delivered in the condition that was sent in pictures thru emails?

Dick, what the hell are you talking about? If you have a problem, let me know what it is. I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

861 parts

Dick, I paid you exactly what you asked for on those parts when I picked them up from YOU at Roy Reeds three years ago. You know damn well that is right!!! Anything else, you're a damn *****. If you have a problem, this is Not the place to bring it up. Be a man and say it to my face. I've seen you at Roy's since.

You were short & you know it

It is real simple...and should not be subject to experience, intelligence, etc. If a problem has been pointed out(fake, repo, stolen item, etc.), stop the auction immediately OR post the info on the auction page. Allow the bidders to withdraw their bids.You can always relist the item later with a revised ad if there is an issue with the item. One cannot excuse this conduct. I am not calling anyone names either. IF one starts making excuses, you will have more issues to deal with.This website should not be an instrument of adjudication either, but some sort of internal process or mechanism should be adopted so that it does not become haven for "characters". I remember a different situation earlier when the courts were involved and some of you spoke in defense of the guy because you had done business with him.That is good for a character reference, but it has nothing to do with the specific act in question. KEEP IT SIMPLE! Follow some type of due process. Be fair and consistent, but DO NOT EXCUSE.It is what it is. Members on this site are all adults and as such are accountable for their actions. When you are buying/selling you must be responsible and your actions held to a certain standard. Remember...DUE PROCESS. Don't we have some legal authorities on here? Help me out with this ? HA ! Dave

I think the seller should talk to the winning bidder and discuss with him that it's a reproduction.

The membership is not here to make up rules as we go along. This is Jim Potts site, not ours.

This problem as been brought to the memberships attention, leave it alone now.

Doug

I agree!!!