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When Curt (aka poor mans garage) posted his "Buy of the week" Richfield book, two things caught my attention. The first one, was the "school house style" globe that was on top of the Neptune pump. I can't help but wonder why they would have used that globe in their publication. It had to have been used by their company. The whole book is dedicated to setting up the dealers stations. Paint designs for pumps, building, light poles, restroom buildings etc. They have measurements of how many inches high the stripes should be on the facade of the buildings, and where to place the porcelain signs. This book is dedicated to every station looking exactly the same, no mater which town you are in. With this much attention to detail, they "had" to have used this type of light globe on top of some of their pumps. Why hasn't any actual photos turned up?


Ok, now here is the second thing that struck me. Notice on the second photo, that the company actually attached their "price per gallon" signs to the front of the pump? Again, I've never seen that before. Yes, on some of the visible pumps I've seen the pricers, but I've never seen a restored pump, or any photos of an original with the metal pricer screwed onto the face.
Any comments?

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Don "oltoydoc" Sherwood
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I'll email you Don.

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Dwaine. pca-west.org
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Post what you know Dwaine... help the hobby right? I thought we were all here to help and to learn... guess not? HTH?

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Don, Can you post any info. you get on that topic.

I would like to know as well. I am always interested in learning more..I wouldnt put a globe like that on a pump but I think its neat that in the catalouge the price boxes were mounted on the front of the pump. I hadnt seen this before....curious if stations ever did this or maybe it was just in the book that way.

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Hubba: GAS GEEK , OIL FREAK and humble moderator

Isn't the schoolhouse globe refered to as a LOW PROFILE STATION LIGHTER ?

I have had several WAYNE 60's,40-A's,BENNETT's & other pumps that had the pricer plates on the doors [as shown], BUT, I always took them off before selling the pump.

Other than the photo of the pump there wasn't any other information in the book. I looked at the station photos in the book and only saw one other picture of pumps with globes and they look like conventional round globes. Looks like Richfield didn't use globes much and for all we know that globe on the Neptune was a type of station light as Dick said.

I was suprised by the pricers too.

Hey Dick, are you being funny or serious? Low profile stationliter? I think you are referring to the ebay auction awhile back, where the guy listed it as a stationliter. Doesn't every light on a pump "Light up a station"? LOL
Here is what Dwaine wrote, and it seems very likely he's right...
as far as why they may have placed this milk glass cover on the top, it might have been just for the book, if the pump was being advertised during war years, I was told that globe lenses along with porcelain signs were not made??
On your second part. most Rheem clock face pumps had holes under the face bezels for the one sided porcelain price boards. or like your 36-b, where they were just switching to pumps with price adds on the
computers. I have four porcelain price board halves that can and will be bolted on under the face bezels.

Thank Dick and Dwaine for your insight. I do find it hard to believe that Richfield was going to print on this book, and decided that they'd use this type of light on top of one pump in the book, and leave all the other pumps without globes.

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Don "oltoydoc" Sherwood
Vintage Gas

WHY would they stop making GLOBES during the war, when glass was not the shortage ? Signs, yes there was a metal shortage.

Could it be that in 1951, RICHFIELD stopped useing GLOBES in west coast areas, and this book was sent to all west coast opperation.

Globes were not ment to light up the station, but were intended to adv. the company or grade of gasoline

Ranchpump sent in this comment and images:
"I got a chuckle out of the bafflement the "school house" globe caused. Imagine my surprise to see two pumps capped this way at Jack Mendenhall's Oilstick museum in Buellton, CA. Of course, seeing the nearby mismatched globes one shouldn't draw any conclusions about "accuracy."




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Thanks for the pics Ranchpump! Looks like an interesting place. And more fuel for this discussion as well.

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Jim "Oldgas" Potts
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Was there a shortage of anything in 1951? I thought all that happened in the early 1940's. That Neptune model began production in 1947. (no shortages at that time)
I am sure if they had the glass to use for ad glass/computer windows and the metal to use for the pump skins they could have come up with enough material to use a globe.
Maybe there was a guy putting the book together who thought it was funny to put a stupid globe on a pump... maybe he wanted to see how many stations would use one

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Thats something you would do Jeff...LOL Except youde silk screen "DeVille Kustoms' on that goofey looking globe....LOL

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Hubba: GAS GEEK , OIL FREAK and humble moderator

ummmmm... DeVille Customs
World famous!!!

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I don't think that it was a shortage issue. More than likely it is was because of the black outs along the coast of California during World War II. This book was produced for the California Richfield Stations and it would make sense that they wouldn't want the West Coast lit up like a Christmas tree so the Japs wouldn't bomb the coast (or so they feared at the time). Although this book was produced in 1951 (several years after the war ended) it is likely that they could have carried over standards from the war years.

This might explain the lack of globes, although it doesn't solve the mystery of the school house model.

I have the ULTRA RARE globe shown in the lower pic of Mendenhall's stuff, the right hand visible pump!!

Anyone ever see such a beautiful piece of glass..2 pc with a metal band no less !!!

Also the Richfield SCHOOLMARM pump, I had one same colors but AO Smith, got it from a fellow named Lance...

First, there was no shortage of glass in WW2. Remember that oil was packaged in glass jars instead of cans during the war. That argument won't hold up.

Second, yes, there were black outs during the war. The use of a light globe like the one pictured would give off considerably MORE light than a gasoline advertising globe. The black out argument won't hold up.

Third, I've seen hundreds (maybe thousands) of pictures of old stations. I've never seen a light globe on a pump in an old station photo. This appears to be an artist's rendering, not a photo. I still haven't seen any proof that light globes were used on pumps.

Like Don, I'm very curious why a pump would be shown in a standards book from an oil company.
Does anyone have any solid proof of light globes on pumps at old stations?
Or an explanation based on fact of why that image appeared in that book?

Bob,
What was the last year RICHFIELD used globes on the west coast ?

I agree with Lastgas. If this is an artist's illustration, then it can't be taken as accurate. Even photographs are [were] touched up to improve the advertisements.

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Dick,
The globe book says the last style of Richfield globe was used from 1946-1960.
I've heard that they stopped issuing globes not long after the war (late 40's-early 50's), but existing globes weren't removed from pumps until much later. That's what I've heard. I'll look at what few Richfield pictures I have access to and see if I can date any later than that.

The dates you mentioned Bob was for the East coast division, once the A-38 came into play most pumps were not even wired for globes. and the white bathroom globe you see on Jacks visiable it was not wired but had a top for a globe. a lot of farm pumps were not wired. but they still had an opening for a globe. I have a few cast iron half balls that were screwed in the place of a globe body. It all depended on the location of were the pump was going if it had wiring for a globe. as far as Richfield Globes that ugly bird from the East side never made it to the west. only 15". no 13 1/2.

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Dwaine. pca-west.org
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No Dwaine, East coast Richfield used globes well into the 1960's. 1964 to be exact. That's when they were rebranded Sinclair.
Lots of pumps were wired for globes after the A38. Many companies used globes until 1970! Don't you think those globes were lit up?
The eastern Richfield with the "ugly" bird used both 15" and 13 1/2" globes. The west coast Richfield used only 15" globes.

It should be noted that both east and west Richfield used the SAME globes prior to the time the company was reorganized in '33. They continued to use common globes until the late 30's when the eastern company switched to the art deco eagle and the western company switched to the "bullseye" globe that didn't have an eagle.

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bob great post an 100% accurate, cheese bbc member

Here's a photo of a Globe that Kmann sent me for posting. He is wondering if this might have been an original pump globe?




Thanks guys for all of your insight, quesses, and opinions. That's what I like about this forum so much. Everyone has a say, and I know I alway learn something here. Even if it is not to ride with T-2-T when he's blowing the cobwebs out of his car. LOL

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Don "oltoydoc" Sherwood
Vintage Gas

Sorry Kmann, not a pump globe. I see stuff like that on ebay all the time. Gas pump globes advertise gasoline.

I asked Scott Benjamin what he thought about the picture in the Richfield book. Here's what he said:
"I've never seen this either. I think it was just a prop as these were not used on any gas pumps."

I'm inclined to agree. I'm thinking its up to someone to prove they used light globes like that on pumps. That image makes me curious,but doesn't prove anything as far as I'm concerned.

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Well, just to add some more fuel to the fire, here's the only other illustration in the book that shows globes being used on pumps. There are probably fifteen illustrations of various station configurations showing the proper application of the brand colors.



Does anyone have a picture of the Richfield "Bullseye" globe? Is that what this picture is illustrating?

Here ya go Curt.

Here's the "ugly" eagle Dwaine was talking about.

Thanks Bob, looks like the bullseye is what they are showing in that illustration.

Does anyone do a repop of the bullseye?

What's the ballpark price of an original?

I'm doing a Bennett 646 up in Richfield right now and I'd like it to be as close to oringinal as possible.

BTW, I have to agree about the "ugly eagle". I saw one on a pump and I thought it was some mis-guided repop until I learned about the East coast version. (My apologies to those of you that like and collect it.)

Here's what I don't want my restoration to look like. Waste of a good pump in my opinion.

VERY FEW farmers ever bought a NEW pump, most FARM pumps were used sevicestation pumps provided by the distributor they were buying gasoline from. Commerical & farm pumps that were bought new, were of the clockface style or no-computing total sale $$, but MOST were wired for lights & GLOBES.

I have had several 50's-60's pumps that were wired for GLOBES [under the plate where a globe ring would mount].

IF it was not a special order, the pump company's didn't know where the pump would be used ie: station, commerical or farm/private.

WHY would pump companys use a CAST IRON cap and a globe ring on a pump IF there was no electricty in the top of pump ??



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Curt,
I haven't seen a bullseye sell for a couple years but I'd guess one with no condition problems would bring around $2250.

I don't know if that globe has been re-popped. Pogogas would probably make some if there was enough demand. I can't see it though....THAT globe is ugly to me!
I like the art deco eagle though, but what do I know? Some of the boys say my globes are ugly.

Dick,
What you said makes alot of sense. I got a email from someone in the oil business today that said the same thing.

I know this Richfield W/Car is old stuff to Bob, but I had not seen it before & thought it was killer.



I personally think the Richfield Bulls Eye it is clean with soft colors that looks way cool at night.




I will have to say this art-deco looking thing looks much better under lights.


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Heres a couple more shots of Richfield globes.







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Elden,
I've never seen the Richlube globe before, but I'm told its a fantasy piece. Too bad because its really cool.

Fantasy or not it is cool. Really like the shield globes anyhow.

Like the west coast eagles too, but I'm assuming those were never really on globes like the repops now. Definitely more interesting than the bullseye.

Nothing worse than putting a "bullseye" on your globe though. Every redneck with a rifle would target practice on that thing. No wonder they're so pricy, there weren't that many left.

Always thought RPM cans would be good for target practice too!

Curt,
It's a common misconception that the detailed eagles were only used on the west coast globes. Those are some of the globes that were common to both companies. They were 15".
The only globes that were exclusive to the west coast company that I know of are the bullseye.

Hi Bob,
I didn't say it was an original, I just wanted anyone wanting to do a Richfield brand pump to see that they may have more then just the regular everyday globes, that I would consider making this lens if there were enough interested parties wanting it.
So.......
Are you saying that you know the Richlube globe is a fantasy piece? You think it is because you have never seen it before or in a book? Or if someone told you it was a fantasy....WHO said so & how do they know it is a repop or from what book did they use?

Personally this Richlube globe (original or repop)with the car would look very nice on a restored (New paint, face plates, hose, etc.)pump in the blue & yellow colors of Richfield.

You have to understand i'm new to collecting globes & it seem there are a lot of opinions in this hobby that come from word of mouth, so thats why i'm asking.

All you long time globe collectors know more then us new-be's, but when I take pictures of collections I always ask for some history of the item that i'm shooting like is this original, or a repop & if it is a repop is it of an original globe or from original art work from that company.

This neat DBL pump below looks so nice & don't care if the globes are repops or not.

super post , lets bring it back to the top. cheese

IF, the RICHLUBE globe was ever used, it would have been on an OIL CABINET, not on a pump. Same with the GARGOYLE globe.

Right on Dick, I think that makes perfect sense to me, but as I said I really don't know or care when I see something this cool. I can see that this favors being a repop, but who would just make ONE? If it is a repop & more then one was made...... were are they, & why hasn't one been on eBay over the years...... I did a search & could find nothing listed.

So, I'm still back to sq. one.... killer globe "original or repop! So now....... I'm thinking of restoring a Richfield OIL CABINET with a globe like this on it Dick, if I can only find one with out the missing top.... HA!

Maybe I'll redo this "Repoped Fantasy" WHIZ display case in Richfield


.......... Nope! I like it just the way it is! Elden

Elden,
I'm a collector not a restorer. A collector learns as much as possible about the things he collects. A restorer will know about pumps, but isn't nearly as likely to know alot about original globes. Being a collector I spend a tremendous amount of time reading about things that interest me in the hobby. Collector books and price guides are one source of info. Collector magazines are another source. I also have books on the history of certain oil companies. Then there are the oil company publications such as Curt's Richfield book. Maps, lube guides, and product catalogs contain a wealth of information. The people on this site have a lot of info to share. I also communicate with other collectors or dealers by phone or email on a regular basis. I receive from 50 to 400 emails about the hobby a week. I respond to most of them. I also have phone conversations about the hobby a dozen or more times a week. Sometimes a lot more. When I go to a collector auction or show I seek out those that have more experience in the hobby and try to learn from them.
When I'm not sure if something I've read or heard is accurate, I try to find another source to confirm it.
This is an awesome site that benefits many aspects of the hobby. I think it's very important that accurate info be posted. Bad information is worse than no information. I think it's important to mention that something is a reproduction if we know its a repro. I have nothing against repro's unless they aren't marked. If I hadn't mentioned that the Richlube globe was a fantasy piece, how many people might have thought it was an original? Page veiws run about 300,000 to 400,000 a month on this site. We have to be diligent in providing accurate and complete information.

Curt,
You asked for it, this is on ebay now. BULLSEYE RICHFIELD
7131501740
1 lens has a crack & other is faded

Bob, no doubt you know your part of the hobby, you really know your history & I was not pointing my finger as mush as I was just tring to make it clear that when I see you throw this broad blanket over someones collection or globe how you got there!

I was just trying to understand your post so I & other beginners could could see as you say "but I'm told its a fantasy piece" & "Too bad because its really cool" who told you it was a fantasy globe. Your statement

"I think it's very important that accurate info be posted. Bad information is worse than no information."

This is my very point back to you ............ you left no room for doubt! This is a reprodution, fantasy, never existed, fake! WOW, that's just a little hard to digest when you just stated last night that you had never even seen it?

The Richfield "Richlube shield-globe" owned by Jack Mendenhall, Buellton, CA. has personally owned it for your whole life, about 45 years & that he is mistaken or worse yet lying. For me to tell him this is a repop as you say by what you have just stated seems just a little weak. I think it might be best to have all of us "rookies like me" & other concerned with this judgment call of yours is to go on Jack's web page & see if you think this is the kind of guy the would give a hoot what we think & miss-state the authenticity of this globe!

I guess while I'm at it, how about your take on this globe.................. real or?



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Not everything in Jack's collection is The REAL McCoy.
Jack HAS & HAS HAD some killer pieces.
Due to health reasons & bills, he has had to sell some items off. Most were replaced with repo's.
Some of his items were gifts from well known collectors, some are originals and others are FANTASY. He displays them all.


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I agree with Bob that is not real. The color looks way to lite and the style of letters isn't like anything Richfield used. Just because someone has had something for 20-40 years doesn't make it an original. I have a repop globe on my outside pump (and only repop I own) and it's dated 1983 so that repop is 20 years old. I consider myself a new-be to globes but i am learning fast in my opinion on globes and there markings.

Just wondering why you are so persistent to try to discredit Bob and his opinion on a globe. Prove to us is an original!

aquaelvis:
There was indeed a shortage in 1951. There was a war at that time, called the Korean War, the forgotten war.
The governement put restrictions on the use of steel in order to help the war effort. Many of the glass bottles (handy-oilers and qts.) are from that era and not from WWII as many people think.

Post a picture of the Richfield Aviation globe not lite up. It doesn't look right either. The planes are white not blue and the colors look lite.

We either have some globes that are not real or we just may have not seen before.

Elden,
I don't know Mr.Mendenhall or what he has in his collection. That design globe has been documented as being a fantasy piece. There have been several graphic (fantasy and reproduction) globes passed off as originals. Some of these fake globes are very old. I assure you that the guys that own them don't want to admit they are fake. They might not even know themselves. I'm confident that the Richlube globe is not an original. I don't need to see something to know if its original or not.....as long as I have accurate information from a knowledgable source. If I hadn't been sure about that globe, I wouldn't have said it was a repro.
As for the ElCamino, knowledgable sources say there is one original known. Yes, I know its nearly impossible to determine that there is only one original of anything, but the ElCamino globe is also one that known unmarked repro's exist.
Its more simple when you know that something didn't exist as an original. With the El Camino you'd have to know the provenance of the piece, or know how to tell the repro's from the original. That can't be ascertained from a picture.

Bob,
as I said before, I don't know, that's why I'm asking & if you were placed on a witness stand you would be very convincing... no question of your effort to know what your talking about on the history of globes & if your tell me that is how you came to this conclusion so be it... done, over, then I have the right to believe or not to believe just as Jarvis so elegantly stated that he trusts your assement & even went so far as saying I'm wrong to question you & in doing so I'm discrditing you. I learned a long time ago you can't discredit truth & honesty Jarvis, & I may have failed, but I have really tried to not to be part of the name calling that usually comes out of a thread like this.

So help me I don't have a vested interest in wether this is an authentic original of a Richfield "Richlube" or not. If I wanted to do a pump or oil cabinet with this globe in mind I couldn't afford to buy this globe from Jack if he would sell it. So I don't care that it is an original, but if I do make it, it will be maked (dated) as all of "Vintage-Logos" lenses are & be sold with one & all knowing that it is a remake of Jack's (what ever) globe & they can decide if they want it or not.

Thanks Dick, point well taken, but it does sound like he has had a lot of originals in the past no matter what he has now just like the El Camino globe was from one of only 4-El Camino west coast station known to have existed with what, maybe 6 pumps times 4= 24 total globes made? Who knows, but it is also supposedly an original as he thinks the Richlube is, so now does that mean the El Camino is not an original because you stated with out a doubt that he was wrong about the Richlube? Boy, he took a DBL hit in 24 hrs. to his collection, & the truth be known probably cares less what all of us out here in La-La-Land say anyway!

To all of you that have emailed me, thank you for your support.

So to finish this thread, until I have proof of other wise, the odds are the Richlube may very well be a (you fill this in) & I'm sticking to it... HA! Elden

I will say that there are plenty of globe people that know there stuff. I would put Bob up there with the best of them. No one person is a globe god and knows it all and mistakes can and will be made.

I do know i will never have a repop globe on the shelf with original globes no matter how pretty they are. I would rather have one ugly original sitting there than a repop Richlube.

Elden,

I believe my information to be correct so I stand by my statement that the Richlube is a fantasy globe. The best information available says it never existed as an original. I wouldn't change my mind about that globe if others surfaced. The only thing that could possibly convince me otherwise is if it were pictured in an old station photo, old artwork from a globe maker, or pictured in old company liturature.
Paint can be analized to determine the period that it was manufactured. If that globe were real it would probably date from the 1930's. My guess is some day that globe will be tested. Some of the biggest collectors have unknowingly bought unmarked repro's.
You had asked ealier why there haven't been others. There have been some very good unmarked repops made in very limited quantaties and passed off as originals.
It's certainly a jump to say that Mr.Mendenhall took a double hit. There's no reason to question the El Camino.
As for JJ. I razz him pretty good about breaking globes, but he knows I wouldn't give him bad info about a globe.
I too want to thank those that have sent me emails of support.

What a fascinating adult debate. I wonder how much it would cost to have the paint tested? Would it be worth spending the money? what if it costs $7000.00 to do the test and the globe is worth $7500.00. MMMMMMM...I dont know ...I just pulled those figures out of the air..cause everyone knows ..i dont know anything...just speculating thats all. I too would like to thank all the people who emailed...er wait..no one emailed me...LOL

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Hubba: GAS GEEK , OIL FREAK and humble moderator

I'll email you my support Hubba

Hub,
I know a guy that had some Tiwowser lenses tested. It cost him about $400 which sounded like alot, but the lenses cost him 10,000.

There hasn't been enough debate regarding this Richfield post so I'm going to add some more photos just to stir things up a bit.

Actually posting these for those of you that would like them for your files. Sent some scanned copies to members that requested them so I can do that too or make some limited copies. I color copied the whole book for a member at Kinkos and it cost $48.00 for the copies so it might be pricey for the whole thing, but if you just want a couple of pages I can try them on my printer.

I'll do this in two posts.

Here's some more!

Thanks Curt, for sharing those valuable pictures.

I'm wondering something...
I have some 70 year old and older auto paint cans with paint still in them. If I would use some of that paint on something, how would that test out for age by the experts? Hmmm.
I'd like to thank my mother for support during my early years.

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Jim "Oldgas" Potts
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Well if you use the carbon dating method that would put them at between ten and twenty million years. Could lead to the earliest discovery of Petrolania known to man. "Early Petro Man" or "Cro-Petro Man".

By the way, where did the Flinstones get gas?

EVERYBODY KNOWS THE FLINTSTONES USED DINO
GAS........

Jim,
That 70 year old paint would show that it was made about 70 years ago. LOL.
The Richlube was done before the technology existed to date the paint. Whoever made it probably used paint that was readily available at the time. In other words the paint test isn't fool proof. Someone could use old paint on new lenses.

Jim
You're supposed to take that old lead based paint to the recycle center and trade it for oil cans!

BTW, Elden, what do you think about 70 year old paint?

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The Flintstones ate beans like the rest of us for GAS !!!!

Yeah, I guess old Fred just used his feet to get that thing going.

When they wanted to Turbo charge they all started running at the same time.

That was the first Hybrid vehicle, Freds Gas and Feet.

Rex, they would never kill Dino for gas!

Curt, like everything else 70 years old... it has already had it's day!
I guess I've said enough that I'm sure someone will find a way to take it negatively when I just want to enjoy the site for what it is & it is the best there is. Thanks Jim, Hubba, Bob, Doc, Curt for the hard work. Elden



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nothing negative here you ol' 454... and... post a pic of that hot rod... one big happy family here.. right ???

Of Course were all Family Chuck..now whos gonna feed the Baby?..I just changed his Diaper...LOL

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sorry for that cut hub.. but some of these posts make me think otherwise.. lets get back to where we use to be...

Point taken buddy, oh and I was in no way saying anyone was a baby...dont read anything into it...just joking...remember i was the "quart jester" for awhile...LOL Gonna go make breakfast for dinner for Dakota and I. Flying eggs and Beacon ...LOL

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Hubba: GAS GEEK , OIL FREAK and humble moderator

Elden, I don't think less of anyone that collects fantasy globes. If you like them than that's all that counts. I know some guys don't like comman globes and think there ugly but i love them. That's the fun of the hobby... collect what YOU like not what others like!

hub... in no way did i take that wrong.... a baby.... nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... more like a toys "r" us kid... HAAAAAAAAAAAAA.. be well you ol' ethylburner...

I posted some pictures of Eldens Camino awhile back an aside from those non-NOS hoses it looked pretty good. Well, and then there was the air cleaner...

Hey Elden, I'm with you. I'm moving toward trying to keep with the original spec, but I don't mind a good fantasy once in a while.

Let's face it though, it's the debate that makes this site fun and even though it gets heated once in awhile we can all agree that we are passionate about this hobby.

Besides, anytime someone gives their 2 cents, you always know what is worth and free advice is priceless!

If they are fired on lenses they use enamel frit not paint.

Who is going to clean up all the fur after we get done with this topic???

You're getting way too technical on us dodogas.

Besides, what about the glass? Can't that be dated too? But what if you use 70 year old glass with "enamel frit", huh, how bout them apples???

What if a seventy year old man sprays the seventy year old paint on the 70 year old glass using 70 year old graphics in a seventy year old building...

I bet they could still solve that on CSI.

Okay, so what if two 35 year old men.....

I'm going to bed!

Elden, Post your El Camino...its a killer ride that anyone would be proud to own.

Kmann, Every family has a "discussion" now and then. This is a great group. I've learned alot by participating here and I hope I've helped someone along the way.

Northern Frank, whatever it is they can determine the approximate time it was made.

Does it use NOS gas & tires ?

I want to thanks the globe experts for clearing uo the fact that Jacks globes are fantasies, I'm leaving in about an hour to visit Jack and Mark Mendenhall. I've talked to them over the years but never meet them personnally. As I talked to Mark yesterday as his dads globe (the Richlube ) was being talked about and experts say its a fantasy. mark said his dad had that globe for over fourty years and got it from an old Richfield distributor. Many of the earleir globe collectors have wondered about that globe scents its the only one anyone has ever seen. Funny how Cheese can find a Wilshire sign in very very very good condission in a northern city that so rare we in the area from where it comes can't find them. well I'm glad this is all cleared up. Jack can rest easier now knowing for sure. Just seems funny that if a guy was going to have a great looking globe made at the cost of = $1,500.00 to start he would have had more made. Thanks this is a great site you all Helped the Hobby.

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good point buck, what can you tell me about these signs more to come cheese

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these ar sign we got yester day with the radio sign

tring to get a price on these signs cheese

this is the 1st time i have seen this sign mint condition double sided. cheese

Sell cheap and give the big collectors a break. you need the money for the college kid. and the sign guys need to go to Hawaii. see ya, going south, see ya about 12 to 1 Curt.????? Helga's driving.

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NEAT MOBIL FILL-PRUF TAG CHEESE GOT MORE?
FARGO IN MICHIGAN??? O'MY!
I BOUGHT MY E-TEX GLOBE FROM (EAST TEXAS) IN MICHIGAN FUNNY HUH......
REX LIKES MOBIL

hey rex just picked up this banner in this last collection

ordinary alcohol... i like it !!!!

that fargo looks different then the Fargo we had in Colorado...
Scott

GREAT BANNER CHEESE NEVER SEEN THAT ONE.........AND IN GREAT CONDITION.
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REX LIKES MOBIL

I've got a question for you Dwaine.
Other than Dick explaining that Jack had sold some originals and replaced them with repro's what other globe was questioned?
You said "globes", plural, as in more than one. Who was it that jumped to conclusions about the ElCamino? OK, that's two questions. By the way it was Elden. There's one original known. Could be more out there, nobody knows. What everyone or at least anyone that bothers to get educated on the subject knows, is that the ElCamino globe has been repopped.
It seems a couple of guys want to make more out of something than what its really about.
Anyone that thinks someone hasn't made some very limited runs (one to five)of repop or fantasy globes (or signs) is very naive.

I don't understand your anaolgy about the sign Cheese posted. Are you asking how it got to Michigan? Probably in a truck or trailer. Or were you trying to imply the sign isn't authentic (without saying so in so many words? Hmm, a couple more questions. LOL.
I attended a collector auction in Illinois. The collection was from California. Some of the items in the collection were from the eastern states. Does that mean they were fake? Absolutely not! That means they were transported to another location.
Pretty simple stuff, just like finding out about the Richlube globe.

Still trying to figure out how we got from the Richfield School House Globe to a raging debate about real versus repop, to pictures of Cheeses signs (what's that all about), back to the globe discussion.

This is one wacky thread.

Now we have about four separate discussions going on the site about collecting and using real versus repop globes and whats better or worse.

To help settle some of this I made a call to the guy that gave me the Richfield book to see if he could put me in touch with some Richfield guys from way back. Also going to visit a former Richfield Station owner tomorrow to see if I can get some clarification on some of the globe issues.

Planning on visiting the Mendenhalls on Saturday, so I will ask them what they think is real or repop in their collection too. Would like to know more about that Richfield Oil Globe.

I think I will post the outcome as a new thread since this one has gotten way long and way too crazy.

i can state this , this sign is in 100% original untouched condition double sided 30" round found in michigan and i love it take a look, cheese www.bcheese.com

No offense intended Cheese!

I like the sign, I believe it's original and I'm sure you found it in Michigan.

Just not sure how this all relates to the topic that was started?????

Soooooooo cheese whats the shipping to Kentucky?
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REX

called "cabin fever".... typical this time of the year...

Whoever was talking about the Richfield bullseye earlier in this epic post, there is one in my auction. We'll see what it brings....also, did you west coast boys see the Veltex & Clipper?? Just checking....

Seth/Vic's '66'

let me see if i got this right... most of you guys put down repro anything... then go out and buy it.. see... thats what i missed.. come on.. fess up... beauty must be in the eye of the BEER holder... i mean... beholder... me ????.. hell.. i'll stick to the real deal.. restore a pump.. depends on how far its gone.. gut it sure.. restore a sign... WHY.. why would i take an old sign with character and try to make it new ???... oil can.. keep the cardboard.. gimme the tin.. buy the best you can afford and remember a repro today is still a piece of **** tomorrow..

Seth, I sure did & this guy didn't know what hit'em when I bought his original Veltex & Clipper globes, & he looked like he was crying when I drove off.

kmann, You lost me on "most of you guys put down repro anything... then go out and buy it." who bought what? I missed that one.

jj.. if i got to dig thru the posts and say who said what... if you really want me to i will... seems that some who put down a repro sign go out and buy a repro globe... maybe i just don't get it..