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#508445 - Sat Jan 25 2014 10:05 PM Difference between rust and patina?
Bbburke Offline
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Registered: Tue Oct 08 2013
Loc: LaGrange, Kentucky
It has always been my understanding patina was what developed on brass or copper after being exsposed to water. The Statue of Liberties green color is the perfect example I think everyone has seen. The green oxidation build up. I hear patina used alot to desrcibe rusting on signs and metal objects all the time. Is this just a way to "church up"rust or is their a difference? I would like to hear as many facts or opinions on this subject as possible.
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#508450 - Sat Jan 25 2014 10:14 PM Re: Difference between rust and patina? [Re: Bbburke]
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Registered: Mon Nov 29 2004
Loc: Oneida IL USA
When something painted or that has a factory finish shows age or wear on that "factory" finish thats what I call patina.
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#508451 - Sat Jan 25 2014 10:15 PM Re: Difference between rust and patina? [Re: Bbburke]
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Registered: Sun Oct 21 2007
Loc: Devils Lake, ND---USA
Brian--I believe the word "patina" has sort of evolved to mean a finish created by nature and the elements and not easily duplicated or impossible to duplicate by man. A finish that is highly desireable, as it compliments the age and use of the object applied to!
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#508454 - Sat Jan 25 2014 10:22 PM Re: Difference between rust and patina? [Re: K W FRITH]
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It's a slang term used by pickers and flippers. Lately, it has evolved into a word used to describe beat up items. The use of the word "Patina" somehow magically adds value & desirability to these often rough items.
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#508456 - Sat Jan 25 2014 10:27 PM Re: Difference between rust and patina? [Re: K W FRITH]
Dick Bennett Offline
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Registered: Wed Oct 25 2000
Loc: Santa Paula, Calif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patina

Not as abused as OLD or COLLECTABLE on ebay.

KW is OLD PATENIA [Crusty, Rusty, Repaired & Re-married; a finish created by nature and the elements and not easily duplicated or impossible to duplicate by man.]
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#508458 - Sat Jan 25 2014 10:28 PM Re: Difference between rust and patina? [Re: K W FRITH]
Bbburke Offline
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Loc: LaGrange, Kentucky
I agree Kevin. Being from Kentucky. Patina is just the way most people pronounce Rick Patinos last name. So we might have to add that to the defeinition that has evolved as well. There was a good post on the Texaco Globe thread that explained alot as well.
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#508459 - Sat Jan 25 2014 10:30 PM Re: Difference between rust and patina? [Re: Bbburke]
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#508467 - Sat Jan 25 2014 11:33 PM Re: Difference between rust and patina? [Re: Bbburke]
Loyd Pierce Offline
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Registered: Thu Jan 13 2011
Loc: Mt. Juliet, Tenn.
I think you have it right.

Patina is what happens to brass ,cooper.

Rust is just that rust. We have a saying here due to our humidity levels. Rust never sleeps.
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#508480 - Sun Jan 26 2014 06:35 AM Re: Difference between rust and patina? [Re: Loyd Pierce]
dodgeman60 Offline
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Registered: Tue Nov 13 2007
Loc: wisconsin
Im with dave on this subject, just another word to add value to an item.
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#508481 - Sun Jan 26 2014 06:50 AM Re: Difference between rust and patina? [Re: dodgeman60]
carolinaskies Offline
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Registered: Tue Feb 08 2011
Loc: Upstate SC, USA
Patina vs rust.... rust people don't pay for, patina they do.. :;

Patina is supposed to add character, ageing, or help define the effect of a piece, whether one is talking about an artist applying a complimentary finish to a sculpture or mother nature using sunlight, other elements, and time to create results not easily duplicated.

Dealing with a lot of rusty/crusty signs, I find that non-wound-up collectors like to see some "honest" patina on a piece as proof of age, durability, and veracity.

Here's a good example of honest patina... applied lovingly by mother nature.


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#508485 - Sun Jan 26 2014 08:10 AM Re: Difference between rust and patina? [Re: carolinaskies]
JimT Offline
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Registered: Fri Dec 06 2002
Loc: Cleveland,Ohio U.S.A.
IMO Patina is the effects of age on any object- by Mother nature and Father time. Doesnt matter if its rust, tarnish, verdigris, the darkening of a finish on furniture-whatever. It's not related to just ferous or non-ferous metals. Even pottery and artwork. One thing for sure, its not specifically just related to copper, brass or bronze. Damage by humans is another thing altogether.


Edited by JimT (Sun Jan 26 2014 08:13 AM)

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#508500 - Sun Jan 26 2014 10:18 AM Re: Difference between rust and patina? [Re: JimT]
It's for sale Offline
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Registered: Thu Nov 08 2012
Loc: Wellington, Ohio
Natural aging

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#508502 - Sun Jan 26 2014 10:35 AM Re: Difference between rust and patina? [Re: It's for sale]
Big B1 Offline
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Registered: Mon Mar 28 2011
Loc: Long Island N.Y.
I guess I am well Patined, or is it pickled

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#508506 - Sun Jan 26 2014 10:47 AM Re: Difference between rust and patina? [Re: Loyd Pierce]
Gasman84470 Offline
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Registered: Sun Jan 13 2013
Loc: Calgary AB
Originally Posted By: Loyd Pierce
I think you have it right.

Patina is what happens to brass ,cooper.

Rust is just that rust. We have a saying here due to our humidity levels. Rust never sleeps.


And I thought Neil young was responsible for that expression!:-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0YFJvWmoes

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#508523 - Sun Jan 26 2014 11:34 AM Re: Difference between rust and patina? [Re: carolinaskies]
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Registered: Sun Aug 19 2007
Loc: Round Rock, Texas
The correct word for brass, copper or bronze turning green in verdigris. If you care to know the why's or how's, that can be looked up.

Verdigris is patina, which is the natural weathering process. That's not to say that patina is is limited to brass or copper. From my understanding, patina is the natural weathering process on anything, from your skin to metal to paint, etc.

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