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info on independent oil co.
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looking for info on independent oil co items with the thunder bird on them. was wondering what they made for signs, pump plates, small items
displays, oil cans ect don't see stuff too often

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Re: info on independent oil co.
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Independent Oil was a trade name for use by oil companies that registered as members with this organization. They could use the Independent/ Red Hat names, as well include their own name within the signs, globes, etc. Part of the reason their items are scarce is that they were only used by small companies, so survival rate was slimmer. Also, Red Hat was banned because a court ruling requested by SO of Indiana said that Independent's Red Hat was too similar to Red Crown gas. But, there is strange photos of the Red Hat name used in small, remote locations into the 50s, with Red Hat capo globes! Sounds impossible, and should be, but there are photos out there to prove it.There are constantly new discoveries with Red Hat/Independent items with small company names we've never heard of. Peeroco, Grasses, Quincy,and others are some of the companies you will see on their items. They made many porcelain signs, a round thermometer, metal body and one piece globes, and smalls such as quart cans, gas sticks, paper stuff, ect. I don't believe I have ever seen any original pump plates from them.

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2 Gallon Luke #567137 Tue Sep 09 2014 07:52 PM
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i have 3 independent globe bodies looking for signs to go with them wasn't sure what was out there would love to see some pics if anyone had any


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2 Gallon Luke #567139 Tue Sep 09 2014 08:00 PM
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The Independent Oil Men of American (IOMA) was founded in the early 1921 or 1922 in Chicago and registered the red thunderbird logo (they refer to it as the "Red Spread Eagle")as an association trademark. Member organizations were licensed to use the trademark with the eagle logo. In June 1925 the registered the Red Hat trademark, specifically as a parody of Standard's Red Crown. Standard of Indiana sued, and IOMA lost the right to use the trademark in the 14 Standard of Indiana states + Nebraska, which was assigned to Standard of Nebraska, a close affiliate and later subsidiary of Standard of Indiana. The trademark rights were lost ONLY in these 15 states, to be phased out by 1932. However, marketers in other areas could and did continue to use the Red Hat trademark, as late as the early 1960s (color photo in One Hundred Years of Gas Stations, page 262, in Texas; a 1950s b&w photo on page 260, as well). Other marketers stepped away from the Red Hat trademark, even in areas where it was allowed, in case other suites were filed. Anyway, IOMA survived, and is actually a forerunner of one of the industry associations today. Last regular use of the IOMA thunderbird logo was by member Quincy Oil in Boston (100 years, page 216), into at least the 1970s. Signage and globes are known, as are paper goods, but no, repeat NO, pump plates are known that are original. The popular one seen today is actually a repop that dates back to 1973-1974.

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Carolinatraveler #567150 Tue Sep 09 2014 08:32 PM
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thanks for the info and history i'm gonna buy the book


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marky #567286 Wed Sep 10 2014 11:18 AM
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If you don't already have the book--you're missing a very valuable reference tool. Its a great piece of work!


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does anyone have any pics besides the book I will post my globes


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marky #567297 Wed Sep 10 2014 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: marky
does anyone have any pics besides the book I will post my globes
Here are some Red Hat items with thunderbird logo.....







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Another IOMA member............


Dennis Leith / Always looking for unusual Gilmore Oil Company items and Automobilia Displays
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wow amazing stuff the reason i asked is i started collecting the globes and have 3 of them now just got one on monday here is a pic of the one i bought monday and my collection of globes.
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quincy globe.jpgindependent globes.jpg

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marky #567355 Wed Sep 10 2014 03:58 PM
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Very nice group of globes Mark!


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thanks i'm on the hunt for more of them if anyone can help
thanks wayne just ordered the book can't wait to get it

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Have a couple of these Thunderbird signs (each one has a side restored)


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whoa those are amazing someday I hope


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Here is a globe I used to own.

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