OK,,, I can see you know what your talking alright no problem there. But if your only problem is people pay to much for fakes isn't that their prerogative ? Everyone is on a different agenda, I bought( 3 new, fantasy ) signs at an auction last weekend and I'm sure some of the guys ( my friends) thought I was nuts.. but it was at an auction of a close friend of mine that had passed away and I wanted them just because he owned them and I was with him when he bought them, they have sentimental value to me.. I put them up in my garage with my car and to me they look great. Isn't that all that matters ? Or do you think the seller on the clocks on Ebay is not being honest with his description?